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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:40 am 
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A duel on magic duel made me wonder about a fairly specific scenario similar to one that might have happened had a player not been sure of how the rules worked.


Player a shocks player b's silverfur partisan.
player b uses brutal expulsion to bounce the partisan and burn a nissa,vastwood seer.
player a uses insidious will to burn the partisan and bounce the nissa by changing targets.

Partisan triggers thrice right?
so confirmation that choosing new targets triggers silverfur and switching the effect a spell applies counts as choosing new targets.

If yes to both what if I have silverfur partisan and cast twin shot on it and a wolf token then use insidious will to "switch" the damage to the token adnd the partisan again does it count as 4 triggers or not?


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 7:57 am 
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It'll only trigger twice. Changing the target of a spell to the Silverfur Partisan would trigger its ability, but only if it wasn't already targeted by that spell. And changing Twin Bolt's targets from two creatures to the same two creatures doesn't change anything at all.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:12 am 
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I'll have to check the comprehensive rules later on this to be sure, but I believe you are correct. It has become the target of a spell or ability three times, specifically because it did BECOME the target of the spell again.

However, for your third situation with Twin Bolt, reference this from the Insidious Will rulings on Gatherer:

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The copy will have the same targets as the spell it’s copying unless you choose new ones. You may change any number of the targets, including all of them or none of them. If, for one of the targets, you can’t choose a new legal target, then it remains unchanged (even if the current target is illegal).


So, in this case, you haven't actually changed the targets. Both are still the targets of Twin Bolt, which you then divide the damage as you choose, so the game sees the targets as having been unchanged, and the Silverfur Partisan's ability will not trigger again.

EDIT: Between my second part and adeyke's comment, yeah, the Silverfur Partisan REMAINS the target of the Brutal Expulsion, even if the mode that it was targeted by has changed, so it won't trigger three times but only twice even in that situation.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:27 am 
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Thanks a lot.


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Just out of curiosity, how did Magic Duels handle the situation?

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:06 am 
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the actual situation involved just my twin bolt targeting 2 wolves including silverfur and him chickening out from changing the targets to silverfurx2 (should actually be impossible according to gatherer) or my face+ kessig prowler.

I initially wanted to ask about switching twin bolt to double target silverfur, but gatherer said it was impossible.
So we never played it out.


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