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| Author: | ParadOxymoron [ Tue May 19, 2015 9:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Rework Groveskipper Ouphe |
Groveskipper Ouphe is this set's mana dork, but it has too many memory issues, and the mastery ability is irrelevant. We'll do this like the regular voting. Dream Weaver —  Enchantment Creature — Spider (R) Reach  : Add one mana of any color to your mana pool.0/1 The point of Groveskipper Ouphe was to help with Mastery. I figure, what better way to help with Mastery than to just mKe it an enchantment? |
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| Author: | Lilan [ Tue May 19, 2015 9:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rework Groveskipper Ouphe |
Groveskipper Ouphe - G Creature - Ouphe T: Add G to your mana pool. Mastery - As long as you control an artifact, a creature, and an enchantment, You may spend mana produced by ~ as if it were mana of any colour. 1/1 |
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| Author: | Dudibus [ Tue May 19, 2015 1:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rework Groveskipper Ouphe |
Dream Weaver rocks. |
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| Author: | Tevish Szat [ Tue May 19, 2015 2:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rework Groveskipper Ouphe |
Ouphe Stonetender Creature - Ouphe : Add to your mana pool.: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool. This mana can only be spent to cast artifact spells or activate the abilities of artifacts.An Ouphe's natural curiosity can work marvels given some ancient puzzle to ponder over 1/1 > Remains an Ouphe > No Memory issues > Encourages multi-card-type play without resorting to Mastery, which IIRC has been batted about for the chopping block. |
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| Author: | chinkeeyong [ Wed May 20, 2015 8:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rework Groveskipper Ouphe |
Dream Weaver ftw. |
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| Author: | TPmanW [ Wed May 20, 2015 1:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rework Groveskipper Ouphe |
Dream Weaver will get me through the niiight. Are we in danger of ending up with too many enchantment critters? I don't want mastery to be too easy. |
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| Author: | Tevish Szat [ Wed May 20, 2015 1:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rework Groveskipper Ouphe |
Am I the only one who really DISlikes Spider of Paradise? Especially when we're trying to rework the set's Llanowar Elves common mana dork? What rare do you drop for it, folks? |
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| Author: | Shazzeh [ Wed May 20, 2015 4:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rework Groveskipper Ouphe |
You're definitely right that replacing a common with a rare is weird. |
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| Author: | TPmanW [ Wed May 20, 2015 5:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rework Groveskipper Ouphe |
Why is it a rare? Maybe the fixing is too good for common, but I wouldn't put it above uncommon. I know Birds Of Paradise is rare, but we're not WOTC and we should only use rarity to influence limited. Granted, putting this at uncommon is still a little iffy. |
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| Author: | Dudibus [ Thu May 21, 2015 1:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rework Groveskipper Ouphe |
Definitely a rare. Common Mana Dork: Groveskipper Ouphe  Creature ─ Ouphe (C) Hexproof : Add to your mana pool.1/1 Has that card been printed? How has that card not been printed? |
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| Author: | Tevish Szat [ Thu May 21, 2015 2:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rework Groveskipper Ouphe |
It hasn't been printed because Hexproof is terrible  (Seriously though, it is one of those designs you'd expect to see sooner rather than later.) |
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| Author: | TPmanW [ Thu May 21, 2015 9:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rework Groveskipper Ouphe |
I'd like to keep it at one mana if possible. Most mana dorks are cmc 1 for a reason- their utility drops off sharply as the turns tick by. A cmc 2 mana dork needs a rather major upside to be playable. Mastery would be a good way to enable this ( werebear's a good example) but if we already have Suncaller at 2 (which could change, but until then I wouldn't count on it) we should probably aim for a 1 drop here. Good things for this card to have: cmc of 1 creatures matter Mastery |
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| Author: | Shazzeh [ Thu May 21, 2015 9:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rework Groveskipper Ouphe |
Most mana dorks are not 1-drops. Let's look at standard: Elvish Mystic is a one-drop. Golden Hind, Rattleclaw Mystic, Sylvan Caryatid, Whisperer of the Wilds, and Voyaging Satyr are two-drops. |
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| Author: | TPmanW [ Thu May 21, 2015 10:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rework Groveskipper Ouphe |
Most constructed playable mana dorks are one drops. I should have clarified. |
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| Author: | Shazzeh [ Thu May 21, 2015 10:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rework Groveskipper Ouphe |
I mean, Rattleclaw Mystic and Sylvan Caryatid are both playable, compared to just Elvish Mystic, but how is that even relevant? |
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| Author: | Popular Pariah [ Thu May 21, 2015 10:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rework Groveskipper Ouphe |
How are you even assigning a metric for "constructed playable"? Like, constructed playable mana dorks in legacy and modern are different than those in standard. On average when most people say "constructed playable" in YMtC the implication is in a standard format, but that isn't always the case. |
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| Author: | TPmanW [ Thu May 21, 2015 10:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rework Groveskipper Ouphe |
I've been under the impression that historically most standard playable mana dorks have been one drops, mostly just because they've usually had to compete with the usual one mana elf dork. Regardless, I think we shouldn't have two cmc 2 mana dorks in the format. Since nobody's given an alternative to the spider how about this: Sunfruit Sapling Creature - Treefolk : Add to your mana pool. Mastery - you may instead add one mana of any colour to your mana pool.1/1 |
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| Author: | Dudibus [ Fri May 22, 2015 9:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rework Groveskipper Ouphe |
That seems good. Strictly better than Llanowar though, but just barely. Unless you want to get into relevant tribes. |
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| Author: | LilyStorm [ Sun May 24, 2015 10:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rework Groveskipper Ouphe |
I like that the original idea was a throwback to quirion elves. |
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| Author: | Tevish Szat [ Sun May 24, 2015 4:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rework Groveskipper Ouphe |
Dudibus wrote: That seems good. Strictly better than Llanowar though, but just barely. Unless you want to get into relevant tribes. Serious question though, how often is Llanowar or a clone thereof (Fyndhorn; Mystic) played without "Elf" being a relevant consideration? I'd wager some, but not as often as in-tribe. |
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