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Second Chance – A Bonus Round
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Author:  ParadOxymoron [ Fri May 30, 2014 4:42 am ]
Post subject:  Second Chance – A Bonus Round
Welcome to Starstill's first Bonus Round!

I've gathered together a card from each thread that almost won. It was tied in a vote, but lost the tie. The white thread didn't have any ties, so I picked what I thought was the best card that didn't win.

Please vote for the card you would like added into the set. You may vote for your own card.

Cato wrote:
Voice of Unity :3::w::w:
Creature - Angel (R)
Flying
Creatures you control have power and toughness equal to the number of creatures you control.
0/0

LilyStorm wrote:
Cloudheart Elemental
Creature - Elemental (U)
When ~ becomes the target of a spell or ability, sacrifice it.
Instant and sorcery spells you cast cost less to cast
As fleeting as the art it creates
2/1

ParadOxymoron wrote:
Icy Whisper –
Instant (C)
Until end of turn, you may cast target instant card with converted mana cost 2 or less from your graveyard without paying its mana cost. If that card would be put into your graveyard this turn, exile it instead. Exile Icy Whisper.
Korinthia shivered. She had never been this deep into the caverns of Frostwynd before. She couldn't see her hand in front of her face, but she could feel her breath freezing. And she could swear she was not alone.

Shazzeh wrote:
Pilot-Flame Tender
Creature - Human Nomad (R)
As each instant spell you cast from your hand resolves, exile it, then copy the last card before that exiled with Pilot-Flame Tender and cast the copy without paying its mana cost.
Fire is valuable in Frostwynd. Most tribes keep one lit perpetually, looked after by a trusted few.
2/1

Hello World wrote:
Elder trees chant :g:
Enchantment (R)
:1::g::g:: put a Chant counter on Cardname.
Creature spells you cast cost :1: less for each Chant counter on cardname.

Shazzeh wrote:
Scavenger's Sack
Artifact - Equipment (U)
Whenever equipped creature deals damage to a player, put a Relic artifact token onto the battlefield. (It has no abilities.)
Equipped creature has "Sacrifice an artifact: Scavenger's Sack deals 1 damage to target creature."
Equip
Relics from Frostblight are as aerodynamic as they are shiny.

I vote for myself.
Author:  Cato [ Fri May 30, 2014 4:47 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Second Chance – A Bonus Round
Sack.
Author:  Mown [ Fri May 30, 2014 4:53 am ]
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I'm a bit surprised by how few of these I seem to care about.
Parad's Icy Whisper.
Author:  storyteller [ Fri May 30, 2014 7:57 am ]
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Shazzeh's sack.
Author:  Kithkin_FieldMarshal [ Fri May 30, 2014 8:00 am ]
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Sack
Author:  ParadOxymoron [ Fri May 30, 2014 8:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Second Chance – A Bonus Round
Swapped out one of Lily's cards for another of hers and Echo_Robin's for one of Cato's. Sorry, Echo. I thought these two cards were more compelling than the cards I picked before.

Current Tally:

Shazzeh: 3
Parad: 2
Author:  Ace of Moxes [ Fri May 30, 2014 9:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Second Chance – A Bonus Round
Meh. Shazzeh's Sack is funny, at least.
Author:  Shazzeh [ Fri May 30, 2014 10:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Second Chance – A Bonus Round
Parad.
Author:  thatmarkguy [ Fri May 30, 2014 10:31 am ]
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Sack.


I could see Parad's at , but not in monoblack. And yes, I know there is one instance of precedent.
Author:  ParadOxymoron [ Fri May 30, 2014 10:35 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Second Chance – A Bonus Round
Can I just add mine and Shazzeh's Sack to the spoiler?
Author:  Shazzeh [ Fri May 30, 2014 10:38 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Second Chance – A Bonus Round
I was going to eventually resubmit the Sack as a rare, or costing or something. Lily and altimis convinced me it was too much. I love the design but I've got no problem if it doesn't win this round.

Black instants is going to be tough if we don't stretch the pie at all, because in normal sets all they do is life loss, graveyard hate, and fiddling with creatures. I think Parad's card is a good idea.

How great would it be if this round ended in a tie?
Author:  thatmarkguy [ Fri May 30, 2014 11:06 am ]
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This set doesn't look to be pushing a monocolor theme, though, right? Icy Whisper isn't limited to targetting black instants (if it were, I'd be a lot less opposed to its power level and piebending). It can get that blue countermagic or red burn or white enchantment removal or green combat trick out of your already-cast secondary-color stuff for you.

To me, with rare exceptions, Black's graveyard play is with creatures. Black cares about putting creature cards in graveyards, taking creature cards out of graveyards, and counting creature cards in graveyards. Leave instant play to the colors that do instant play. This effect is basically "Target CMC<3 instant in your graveyard gets Flashback 0 until end of turn" - it sounds like something that should share pie with Snapcaster Mage.


IMHO: Shouldn't be common. Shouldn't be black. Shouldn't cost as little as 2. It's a great effect ... shoehorned into the wrong criteria.
Author:  ParadOxymoron [ Fri May 30, 2014 11:11 am ]
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Icy Whisper –
Instant (R)
Until end of turn, you may cast target instant card with converted mana cost 2 or less from your graveyard without paying its mana cost. If that card would be put into your graveyard this turn, exile it instead. Exile Icy Whisper.
Korinthia shivered. She had never been this deep into the caverns of Frostwynd before. She couldn't see her hand in front of her face, but she could feel her breath freezing. And she could swear she was not alone.

How about this? And Shazzeh's at Rare, too? Is that acceptable to everybody?
Author:  thatmarkguy [ Fri May 30, 2014 11:26 am ]
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I'd have voted for that. Does our colormap tolerate us adding a 2-color card outside a cycle?


I was just stating my point of view, that doesn't mean it needs to be followed. If others think it was OK as it was, then I've voiced my concerns and my objection has been overruled, and that's fine. It wouldn't be the first time (I had qualms with Sparksigil Apprentice but that didn't stop it from entering the set as-presented) and it sure won't be the last. You can't make everybody happy all of the time.
Author:  ParadOxymoron [ Fri May 30, 2014 11:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Second Chance – A Bonus Round
thatmarkguy wrote:
Does our colormap tolerate us adding a 2-color card outside a cycle?

If it's one Rare card for each two-color combination, then yes, it absolutely does! (*is secretly just trying to get us to reprint Meddling Mage simply because it's one of her favorite cards.*)

(But more importantly I just think 10 rare multicolor cards and no other multicolor in the set is the best way to represent multicolor in this environment.)
Author:  Kithkin_FieldMarshal [ Fri May 30, 2014 11:34 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Second Chance – A Bonus Round
ParadOxymoron wrote:
Icy Whisper –
Instant (R)
Until end of turn, you may cast target instant card with converted mana cost 2 or less from your graveyard without paying its mana cost. If that card would be put into your graveyard this turn, exile it instead. Exile Icy Whisper.
Korinthia shivered. She had never been this deep into the caverns of Frostwynd before. She couldn't see her hand in front of her face, but she could feel her breath freezing. And she could swear she was not alone.

How about this? And Shazzeh's at Rare, too? Is that acceptable to everybody?


Id do a instead, so we dont force a mix...
Author:  Mown [ Fri May 30, 2014 11:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Second Chance – A Bonus Round
I'm okay with it primarily because of Yawgmoth's Will and Toshiro Umezawa. Black reanimates anything, just usually creatures. However, since this is a type matters set, it's okay to bend it a little, in my opinion.
If you want to add other colors, then make it RB or mono-red.
Author:  ParadOxymoron [ Fri May 30, 2014 11:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Second Chance – A Bonus Round
Ok, how about mine at Uncommon and Shazzeh's at Rare?
Author:  Hello World [ Fri May 30, 2014 12:05 pm ]
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Cato's angel looks hilarious.I vote for that.
Author:  ParadOxymoron [ Fri May 30, 2014 10:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Second Chance – A Bonus Round
I'm adding Icy Whisper to the spoiler as an Uncommon for and Scavenger's Sack to the spoiler as a Rare. For kicks, I added Cato's Voice of Unity to the spoiler, too, because I really like it and Hello World voted for it, too. If anyone has a problem with any of these, let me know and we'll discuss whether they should be taken down from the spoiler.

Thanks for the votes, everybody! Sorry this first bonus round was so poorly formatted. See y'all at the next bonus round!
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