No Goblins Allowed

A plane that no longer moves. One side is completely frozen and the other is a hellish wasteland where the sun never sets.

Card Type Matters (not subtype, I'm talking the stuff Tarmogoyf cares about)

Seriously though, we need to develop some regions and culture. I'll see if I can provide some thoughts later when I'm not at school, but try to put in some descriptory flavor text on your cards. Not that I'm less guilty of this.

Time for a flavour thread perhaps? I've got ideas, but I'm not sure whether this was the place for them.

124/245 Cards

61/108 Commons
34/64 Uncommons
21/57 Rares
8/16 Mythics

39 Cards of each color
28 Colorless
10 Multicolor
12 Lands

23/39 White Cards

White Commons

White Uncommons

Collector of Antiques

Ethereal Armor

Remove from Reality

Runes of the Guardian

White Rares

White Mythics

20/39 Blue Cards

Blue Commons

Subterranean Scrawlings

Turn Back

Written in Steel

Blue Uncommons

Frostblight Foresight

Frostblight Scavenger

Blue Rares

Delve into the Unknown

Rune-gear Tinkerer

Sleep Cycle

Blue Mythics

Glacinorak, the Frozen Heart

22/39 Black Cards

Black Commons

Cheapshot Enthusiast

Cremate

Instruments of Torture

Irondeep Spelunker

Mindshivers

Rattleskull Viashino

Seal of Churned Earth

Black Uncommons

Black Rares

Black Mythics

Lich of Lost Treasures

20/39 Red Cards

Red Commons

Seal of Shattered Steel

Red Uncommons

Viashino Surprise Attack

Red Rares

Gleam Collector

Sandquake

Sparksigil Apprentice

Red Mythics

Anjomeddon, the Sun Itself

20/39 Green Cards

Green Commons

Resurgence of Strength

Seal of Flourishing Blossoms

Green Uncommons

Green Rares

Consult the Elder Trees

Green Mythics

15/28 Colorless Cards

Colorless Commons

Colorless Uncommons

Colorless Rares

Shatterspear Insignia

Colorless Mythic

Mox Amber

10 Multicolor Cards

Multicolor Rares

4/12 Lands

Land Commons

Land Uncommons

Land Rares

Just wanted to state my opinion: Glacinorak should be male and the other dragon should be female and given a name, with Glacinorak's flavor text changed to say "sister" instead of brother.

Also kind of think it would be better if we just changed Frostwynd's name to Frostblight. The names are too similar, and I think it would be better to merge them than to have one of them changed. I personally think Frostblight sounds cooler, more original, and less cheesy than Frostwynd.

The set should have a Skeletons in Illpyre / Zombies in Frostblight divide.

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Maybe they were guides of the seasons? Perhaps they have two more siblings, a fall and spring dragon that are slowly withering away.

I had to remove the flavor text from Icy Whisper, Frostwynd Foresight, Gleam Collector, and Scavenger's Sack because it made the text box too crowded. (My rule of thumb is, if it takes up more than seven lines in card form, it's too texty. In other words, anything wordier than Scavenged Plans is too wordy.)

I'm going to reflavor "Cheapshot Enthusiast" to be a Viashino Rogue and rename him "Viashino Backstabber". Just because I needed a good race for him, and now I have it. I also changed Druid's Keepsake to Druid's Heirloom because I came up with the name anyway, and I think it sounds cooler.

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@Keeper: So I see some M:EMbers are poking around down here. Do you think the M:EM or FS&A would be interested in fleshing out Starstill?

TPzombieW wrote:

@Keeper: So I see some M:EMbers are poking around down here. Do you think the M:EM or FS&A would be interested in fleshing out Starstill?

Well I'll be keeping an eye out at least on this board to see what people are working on. This could, if developed well, be interesting. It's not like I've made a secret of the fact that I'd like to see YMTC folks get involved in M:EM.

As far as folks wanting to get involved in development... I don't know, it depends on whether M:EMbers find this interesting... or find it at all. I know Barinellos and Szat hang around up here sometimes but I don't think many of the others do. And our direct involvement definitely has potential to skew things in particular directions that folks already involved in the project might not be comfortable with, just because we're kind of looking for different things from a setting than YMTCers might be, and there might be some things acceptable here that don't work for us.

Author:	ParadOxymoron [ Thu May 29, 2014 11:13 pm ]
Post subject:	Flavor
LilyStorm wrote: A plane that no longer moves. One side is completely frozen and the other is a hellish wasteland where the sun never sets. TPzombieW wrote: Card Type Matters (not subtype, I'm talking the stuff Tarmogoyf cares about) Mown wrote: Seriously though, we need to develop some regions and culture. I'll see if I can provide some thoughts later when I'm not at school, but try to put in some descriptory flavor text on your cards. Not that I'm less guilty of this. TPzombieW wrote: Time for a flavour thread perhaps? I've got ideas, but I'm not sure whether this was the place for them. This is the thread for Starstill's broader flavor concerns. In it, you should talk about what creature types we should be using, write flavor texts for cards in the spoiler that don't have any yet, and extrapolate on the setting. Set Map 124/245 Cards 61/108 Commons 34/64 Uncommons 21/57 Rares 8/16 Mythics 39 Cards of each color 28 Colorless 10 Multicolor 12 Lands 23/39 White Cards White Commons 1 – Banish 2 – Consortium Customs 3 – Encapsulate 4 – Indomitable Will 5 – Lightbearer 6 – Seal of Gleaming Sun 7 – Shackles of Order 8 – Springhaven Medic 9 – Sunchaser Elder 10 – Unshakable Resolve 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 White Uncommons 1 – Auspicious Reversal 2 – Collector of Antiques 3 – Ethereal Armor 4 – Remove from Reality 5 – Runes of the Guardian 6 – Steelsoul Saint 7 – Sun Spirit 8 – Sunchaser Procession 9 10 11 White Rares 1 – Apostle of Elori 2 – Radiant Messenger 3 – Solar Flare 4 – Voice of Unity 5 6 7 White Mythics 1 – Reification of Elori 2 3 20/39 Blue Cards Blue Commons 1 – Consortium Engineer 2 – Dehydration 3 – Ethereal Form 4 – Mist Weaver 5 – Seal of Frigid Winds 6 – Snowblind Haint 7 – Solidify 8 – Subterranean Scrawlings 9 – Turn Back 10 – Written in Steel 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 Blue Uncommons 1 – Frostblight Foresight 2 – Frostblight Scavenger 3 – Qualified Research 4 – Spellbound Serpent 5 – Steam Cloak 6 – Wall of Clouds 7 8 9 10 11 Blue Rares 1 – Delve into the Unknown 2 – Rune-gear Tinkerer 3 – Sleep Cycle 4 5 6 7 Blue Mythics 1 – Glacinorak, the Frozen Heart 2 3 22/39 Black Cards Black Commons 1 – Cheapshot Enthusiast 2 – Cremate 3 – Instruments of Torture 4 – Irondeep Spelunker 5 – Mindshivers 6 – Rattleskull Viashino 7 – Seal of Churned Earth 8 – Shamebearer 9 – Wraith's Whisper 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 Black Uncommons 1 – Brains and Bodies 2 – Brittle Bones 3 – Dark Rising 4 – Deathly Chill 5 – Icy Whisper 6 – Scavenged Plans 7 – Snowstorm Shadow 8 – Student of Finality 9 10 11 Black Rares 1 – Eater of Dreams 2 – Gravefall 3 4 5 6 7 Black Mythics 1 – Death World 2 – Endless Night 3 – Lich of Lost Treasures 20/39 Red Cards Red Commons 1 – Crystalline Lasher 2 – Desert Shimmer 3 – Go Haywire 4 – Hellish Snowstorm 5 – Ignite the Ashes 6 – Insult to Injury 7 – Knifetail Waylay 8 – Living Bonfire 9 – Seal of Shattered Steel 10 – Snowblind Brute 11 – Viashino Sandscout 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 Red Uncommons 1 – Magespark Elemental 2 – Rabid Fireweasel 3 – Raid the Ruins 4 – Tinderbranch 5 – Viashino Surprise Attack 6 7 8 9 10 11 Red Rares 1 – Gleam Collector 2 – Sandquake 3 – Sparksigil Apprentice 4 5 6 7 Red Mythics 1 – Anjomeddon, the Sun Itself 2 3 20/39 Green Cards Green Commons 1 – Adaptive Yeti 2 – Borderland Ranger 3 – Cloak of Winter 4 – Grove Tender 5 – Loamblood Druid 6 – Lurking Frostjaw 7 – Oathbreaker 8 – Relic Crusher 9 – Resurgence of Strength 10 – Seal of Flourishing Blossoms 11 – Shivering Soil 12 – Wasteland Sanctifier 13 14 15 16 17 18 Green Uncommons 1 – Track to the Lair 2 – Viashino Suncaller 3 – Wanderlust Wendigo 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 Green Rares 1 – Consult the Elder Trees 2 – Crushthread Sage 3 – Moss Giant 4 – Restoration Spirit 5 6 7 Green Mythics 1 – Tarmogoyf 2 3 15/28 Colorless Cards Colorless Commons 1 – Antique Guardian 2 – Druid's Heirloom 3 – Prismatic Wanderer 4 – Sunchaser Golem 5 – Tank Golem 6 – Wandering Collective 7 – Weathered Cloak 8 9 10 11 12 13 Colorless Uncommons 1 – Coldmetal Coat 2 – Icecore Golem 3 4 5 6 7 Colorless Rares 1 – Archmage's Staff 2 – Cloud Key 3 – Cutthroat Automaton 4 – Scavenger's Sack 5 – Shatterspear Insignia 6 7 Colorless Mythic 1 – Mox Amber 10 Multicolor Cards Multicolor Rares 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 4/12 Lands Land Commons 1 – Forgotten Library 2 3 4 5 Land Uncommons 1 – Quiet Factory 2 – Spire of Creation 3 – Spire of Hope Land Rares 1 2 3 4 5

Author:	Shazzeh [ Fri May 30, 2014 12:33 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Flavor
So just to summarize what's on the cards that are already in the set: 0) The Starstill, an ancient event in which the plane stopped moving about its sun, has divided the plane into two terrible extremes, a scorched desert (Illpyre) and a pitch-black tundra (Frostwynd). The border between the two, which is probably relatively habitable, is named or has a place named Maraka. 1) Illpyre has one or more white groups that probably worship the sun. Elori is implied to be the name of a deity or something. Some of the devotees are humans, some of them are humans that are also enchantments, and some of them are enchantments that aren't humans anymore. This is definitely the faction with the most flavor text so far. 2) Starstill, which is also the name of the plane, has mechanical entities. They don't understand enchantments. 3) Frostblight is probably the name of a place in Frostwynd. It has some connection with artifacts, and there are relics there, which at least one blue human enjoys scavenging. 4) Glacinorak is an ice dragon who, along with his or her fire-flavored brother, caused the Starstill because he or she wanted a more suitable climate for himself or herself. He or she has a card, but his or her brother doesn't yet. 5) There's a serpent in the set. I don't know where it lives. 6) There is a black human rogue living in Illpyre. That is literally the extent of black's worldbuilding. 7) Frostwynd has a red human barbarian that likes the cold and has poor judgment regarding weapons. 8) Illpyre has red viashino and elementals. The viashino we've seen is a scout, which probably implies some form of organization? But there are no goblins, and let's keep it that way! 9) All (?) the trees in Frostwynd have been standing since the Starstill, and there is a green group that can talk to them. 10) Spirits exist, so far in green and white. 11) There are druids, or at least there used to be and they left behind a relic. So there's plenty of room to work with.

Author:	ParadOxymoron [ Fri May 30, 2014 1:32 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Flavor
Just wanted to state my opinion: Glacinorak should be male and the other dragon should be female and given a name, with Glacinorak's flavor text changed to say "sister" instead of brother. Also kind of think it would be better if we just changed Frostwynd's name to Frostblight. The names are too similar, and I think it would be better to merge them than to have one of them changed. I personally think Frostblight sounds cooler, more original, and less cheesy than Frostwynd. The set should have a Skeletons in Illpyre / Zombies in Frostblight divide.

Author:	Mown [ Fri May 30, 2014 3:23 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Flavor
You can do whatever you want with Frostblight, but when I made it, it was under the assumption that Frostblight would be an area that was so cold where the landscape was effectively wasteland, as opposed to frozen forest, tundra or whatever else. That is, really close to the center. I mean, I've thought that Frostwynd and Illpyre both sound rather cheesy, but I'll let you guys have your fun if you like it, since I have no better suggestions. Anyway, I agree that the clerics are so far the most developed. However, do we want that to be a strictly white thing, or could it be stretched to another color as well? We're probably going to need enchantment creatures in other colors as well, so we need to figure out how to represent those while at it. Divine elementals? I dunno. I want viashino to be an established thing in Illpyre. I imagine that they typically hide, and dart between shadows doing hit and run attacks. I don't know if this actually makes sense for a cold-blooded race. I can see them as rather tactical trap makers, effectively herding beasts to their death. Traps can be some form of temporary enchantment. Threading slightly on kobold territory. If frostwynd/blight has a "the machine still hum thousand of years after their creator's death", that'd be cool. I'd like it to be an inherently mystical place, secrets buried under the snow etc. Some areas should be close to fairytales, with aforementioned bioluminescence and ice reflections. People voluntarily go to Frostwynd/blight to dig up the dead, and to Illpyre to achieve enlightenment, among other undeveloped reasons. I'm not sure why the first card I submitted is a rogue, but maybe there's a council of magi that needs mana/power from artifacts to undo the Starstill, and they're therefore valuable on the black market?

Author:	TPzombieW [ Sat May 31, 2014 1:21 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Flavor
My biggest questions: -How long ago was the Starstill? So far we seem to be assuming that it was hundreds of years ago, but the set could be happening in the immediate aftermath. Just want to be clear on that. -Is there anything mitigating the effects of the Starstill? Logically, the planet should be unihabitable. I guess we could say, "it's Magic, don't think too hard about it" but we could also have a reason. Moon reflecting light? Depending on how it travels, that could be pretty cool. A ring around the planet refracting light? A great spell or work of artifice keeps the world functional? I also wonder if we couldn't play up the fire/ice connection more by making the two dragons elemental dragons. I also think it's worth wondering if these are just two very powerful dragons or if they played some role in Starstill before the Starstill. Maybe they were guides of the seasons? Perhaps they have two more siblings, a fall and spring dragon that are slowly withering away.

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Author:	Kithkin_FieldMarshal [ Sat May 31, 2014 8:02 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Flavor
ParadOxymoron wrote: Just wanted to state my opinion: Glacinorak should be male and the other dragon should be female and given a name, with Glacinorak's flavor text changed to say "sister" instead of brother. Also kind of think it would be better if we just changed Frostwynd's name to Frostblight. The names are too similar, and I think it would be better to merge them than to have one of them changed. I personally think Frostblight sounds cooler, more original, and less cheesy than Frostwynd. The set should have a Skeletons in Illpyre / Zombies in Frostblight divide. Something like this? Spoiler Attachment: Dragon.jpg [ 34.42 KiB \| Viewed 21893 times ] They both some sort of gem in their chest, maybe adds to the story how they control the planet.

Author:	Ace of Moxes [ Sat May 31, 2014 1:46 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Flavor
TPzombieW wrote: Maybe they were guides of the seasons? Perhaps they have two more siblings, a fall and spring dragon that are slowly withering away. This bothers me; Shouldn't Magic planes have 5 seasons?

Author:	Mown [ Sat May 31, 2014 1:53 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Flavor
Should they? Is there a reason their seasons should behave differently?

Author:	Mown [ Sat May 31, 2014 3:25 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Flavor
Okay, been thinking some more. Possible factions-ish: Trade Consortium Manages the trade of goods between Illpyre and Froswynd/blight. Involves many different individuals. Those more white inclined look for an organizes system to help distribute water and heat to those in need, and have more benevolent goals. Those with a black inclination are more excited about the possibility of creating a monopoly on aforementioned goods. Blue are in-between merchants, some of them just like the logistics puzzle of trading, others find fascination in the objects they can attain. Starstill holds many secrets in the relics buried underneath sand and snow. Viashino or (Leaning towards the latter, green needs more representation) Pseudo civil lizardmen living in the shadows of Illpyre ruins. They are excellent trapmakers, and know a fair deal about the habits of local animals. They dart around in the sand dunes doing hit and run tactics as they periodically cool off in the shadows before bursting out again. Sometimes they bleed animals to death, other times they lure or herd the prey. Eloreans (Maybe green?) Follows of the sun god, looking to transcent their human form and join in his radiant light. White see a way to become a unity and equal, while Red finds a way to find freedom from mortal boundaries. Green could worship the sun as a symbol of life, but are less likely to do it as part of a religious group. Kindred Those who have looked into the sun for too long and are forever blinded. Ravaged spirits that only know the burning sensation of consuming everything. Essentially followers of Elori that couldn't hold on to their humanity. plot tweest Elves Does not like the consortiums abuse of the world, and is the primary reason that trading is a complete pain. Undecided on how to feel about the world standing still. Magius Group of mages dredging up ancient Artifacts in an attempt to restore or abuse the Starstill phenomenon. Has a pretty castle somewhere in Frostwynd. Fairly ruthless in pursuing their goal, abuses scrying and manipulation magic. You are never safe. Workshop (And colorless.) Robots of ancient times still pursuing some unknown task, long after their creator died/planeswalked away. Rumors say their power cores are filled with the souls of the dead. They seem to be building something. Need more enemy colors up in here. I want Frostwynd UG faction really badly, but can't come up with anything. Simic-flavored sentient fungi that are walking mind-controlling steroids? Sounds like fun.

Author:	Arqwart [ Sat May 31, 2014 4:12 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Flavor
Can we NOT do elves? Elves always being the green representation when green is nature-centric is a pet peeve of mine. How about this for the races: Humans: Treefolk: , possibly depending on which side of the wilds Spirits: primarily , secondary Viashino: primarily , secondary Elementals: primarily , possibly as well Enchantments: primarily , should likely be . > = > > for representation Angels: primarily , possibly as well Dragons: , possibly if we go for the "Dragons are the masters of the seasons" thing Serpents: , possibly as well. Could live near or within the worst areas of the plane. Would explain Spellbound Serpent's attack requirement (needs a spell to break the ice to release it) Constructs/Golems: primarily , possibly as well Races I say avoid (personal opinion) Goblins Elves Vedalken Demons Angels (too late) This is already a bit much in the way of races as it is for just a single set of 245 cards. I'd say the colors each have a decent amount of representation, though black looks a bit lacking. However, I don't see black as being creature heavy in this set so just having humans, viashino, a few enchantment creatures, and maybe a couple of multicolor treefolk will be fine.

Author:	Mown [ Sat May 31, 2014 4:25 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Flavor
But treefolks are so passive. I like elves because they are capable hunters, respect and utilize nature, and are willing to aggressively push their agenda. They have this druid warrior image that other's don't. Besides, I feel like we should at least represent one major race, not including humans.

Author:	storyteller [ Sat May 31, 2014 5:54 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Flavor
Dryads? You know... Arbor Dryad could fit...

Author:	KeeperofManyNames [ Sat May 31, 2014 7:43 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Flavor
Keep in mind you need to fill Iconic, Characteristic, and Midrange slots with your creature types. They don't have to break perfectly along color lines (and world designs are usually more interesting, frankly, if they don't), but if your major race for a color falls in the mid-to-iconic size range (as Treefolk do) and you don't have anything for smaller levels where characteristic races usually sit, that could cause issues.

Author:	Shazzeh [ Sat May 31, 2014 7:53 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Flavor
mutants trying to adapt themselves and other flora and fauna to the awful cold? Are we trying to line specific factions up with specific card types?

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Author:	ParadOxymoron [ Sat May 31, 2014 8:37 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Flavor
I'm going to reflavor "Cheapshot Enthusiast" to be a Viashino Rogue and rename him "Viashino Backstabber". Just because I needed a good race for him, and now I have it. I also changed Druid's Keepsake to Druid's Heirloom because I came up with the name anyway, and I think it sounds cooler. Also, the tribe should be Ice Merfolk. I had to remove the flavor text from Icy Whisper, Frostwynd Foresight, Gleam Collector, and Scavenger's Sack because it made the text box too crowded. (My rule of thumb is, if it takes up more than seven lines in card form, it's too texty. In other words, anything wordier than Scavenged Plans is too wordy.) I also wrote some flavor texts for some cards that didn't have them yet: Voice of Unity: She sings for us all. Frostblight Scavenger: "I never said I could make it work. I just said I'd retrieve it for you." Qualified Research: For all the downsides of living in Frostwynd, at least there's plenty of time for reading. Wraith's Whisper: Wraiths know just by looking at someone exactly when they're going to die. They enjoy telling people how long they have left, but not everybody hears them. Ignite the Ashes: Anjomeddon's temper is literally fiery. Viashino Sandscout: Taking in their energy from the sun, the viashino are probably the only race that actually benefitted from the Starstill. Druid's Heirloom: The druids of Frostwynd have little to remind them how fertile the land once was, how the treefolk would once blossom with flowers. They have family heirlooms with dirt taken from before the Starstill to remind them of their heritage.

Author:	TPzombieW [ Sat May 31, 2014 9:23 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Flavor
@ seasons: I was just thinking that there would be the regular 4 seasons, Spring :G:, summer :R:, fall :B: and winter :U:, with a possible :W: dragon as a mediator (who's probably dead now). Multiple dragons might upset the dualism theme of the set though. I just kind of wanted to turn the dragons into elementals tied in with the Four Symbols of China. @Parad: I'll miss "cheapshot enthusiast". Sometimes playtest names are the best names. @Keeper: So I see some M:EMbers are poking around down here. Do you think the M:EM or FS&A would be interested in fleshing out Starstill? And here's a list of creature types for each side: Hotside: Lizards, cats & Insects / Viashino / Skeletons / Plants/ Elementals/ Clerics & Shaman/ Hawks and Vultures/ All the Enchantment Creatures Coldside: Beasts & wolves / Yetis / Zombies / Fungi/ Spirits/ Artificers & Wizards/Owls and Bats/ All the artifact cratures

Author:	Shazzeh [ Sat May 31, 2014 10:27 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Flavor
ParadOxymoron wrote: I had to remove the flavor text from Icy Whisper, Frostwynd Foresight, Gleam Collector, and Scavenger's Sack because it made the text box too crowded. (My rule of thumb is, if it takes up more than seven lines in card form, it's too texty. In other words, anything wordier than Scavenged Plans is too wordy.) Nice, three mentions in the "too wordy" category! Gleam Collector actually does fit on seven lines with flavor text if you pull a Hostility and replace "instant or sorcery spell" with "spell." That might be a better way to cut text. Probably nothing you can do about the other three, though.

Author:	TPzombieW [ Sat May 31, 2014 11:27 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Flavor
KeeperofManyNames wrote: TPzombieW wrote: @Keeper: So I see some M:EMbers are poking around down here. Do you think the M:EM or FS&A would be interested in fleshing out Starstill? Well I'll be keeping an eye out at least on this board to see what people are working on. This could, if developed well, be interesting. It's not like I've made a secret of the fact that I'd like to see YMTC folks get involved in M:EM. As far as folks wanting to get involved in development... I don't know, it depends on whether M:EMbers find this interesting... or find it at all. I know Barinellos and Szat hang around up here sometimes but I don't think many of the others do. And our direct involvement definitely has potential to skew things in particular directions that folks already involved in the project might not be comfortable with, just because we're kind of looking for different things from a setting than YMTCers might be, and there might be some things acceptable here that don't work for us. At the least, input is always welcome. If the majority doesn't approve then you won't have any impact on the project. A little thematic overview would probably be good for the project I think.