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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2014 11:18 pm 
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I spend the little free time I have browsing the internet for art that catches my eye. Not ever piece of art out there fits the feel I try and go for. I save them into folders, so I might keep a image for a few months before I feel it fits a card perfectly. I have over 1000s images saved in sub folders based on my system.

I know the system is not perfect, but that's how I work.

I see. Sorry if I sounded snide. I just assumed you were finding these from the Internet as the need for them came up.

Can you crease an MSE set file for me, and email it to me?

Sure! PM me your email address.

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I dunno if this is late, but what about a sun, with a snowflake "missing" from the center of it?

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The site looks great Field Marshal!

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How on earth did you guys get the HD MSE installed? I've never been able to get it to work, and, yes, I've followed the instructions to a T.


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Parad, the black card from that weird tied round is missing from the spoiler. So is Mown's green rare.


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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2014 10:07 am 
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That's pretty disrespectful to the artist and lazy. You could at the very least right click on the art and paste the image location or something. But I really doubt any of the artists will ever see this place.

I agree. If you "don't have time" to give the artists credit, then how do you have time to make the renders in the first place? Just go through your history.


I spend the little free time I have browsing the internet for art that catches my eye. Not ever piece of art out there fits the feel I try and go for. I save them into folders, so I might keep a image for a few months before I feel it fits a card perfectly. I have over 1000s images saved in sub folders based on my system.

I know the system is not perfect, but that's how I work.



When you use an image, you could plug your source back into tineye.com and use that to derive the original artist or host.

I know you're proud of your work, but putting your own credit on the bottom of every card in this set seems like a whole lot of redundancy to advertise yourself - the set will have over 200 cards all with that one same line announcing you. More useful (and varying between cards) information to put would be either the originator of the art you used, or the name of the card designer who contributed that card to the set.


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When you use an image, you could plug your source back into tineye.com and use that to derive the original artist or host.

I know you're proud of your work, but putting your own credit on the bottom of every card in this set seems like a whole lot of redundancy to advertise yourself - the set will have over 200 cards all with that one same line announcing you. More useful (and varying between cards) information to put would be either the originator of the art you used, or the name of the card designer who contributed that card to the set.



I'm not sure how should I reply to this. Not to be rude, but I do want people to see the effort that goes into getting the right image for the card, I sometimes spend 30min just trying to find the perfect image to express the card rules, flavor and any art direction the creator gives. I added the disclaimer that says its now my work, When some one asks, I say its not my work.

Regarding the card designer, you will all be credited for design when the set is done. I do not post designs because I want to focus in bringing your cards "alive". I only vote, but never design. I want to make something we are all proud of.

I think we are doing a great job, lets not bring politics into it. This is an art form, lets express our self.

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I guarantee the art took longer than half an hour to make. Half an hour is nothing.

I mean not to butt in but really, putting your name as the artist credit and not bothering to find the original image is just lazy and disrespectful. That's not "politics" that's just basic courtesy. An artist shouldn't have to track you down to find out whether or not you're ripping off their artwork.

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That is hugely disrespectful to the artist who could have spent 20+ hours on the picture.

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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2014 12:17 pm 
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That is hugely disrespectful to the artist who could have spent 20+ hours on the picture.


I respect them completely, they go through alot of effort and time.

Have I taken away from their ownership in any way? Have I said its my art ever?

This is politics at the moment, we need to agree to disagree. Its on my own head if an artist wants to contact me to have his image removed. I will gladly do it if I'm requested by them.

I just want to get on with the set, I think design is great so far, and the world is really coming together.

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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2014 12:49 pm 
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Have you ever submitted any form of essay or research paper? Would it be OK to quote works without citation? Or in your bibliography / works cited, just saying "I don't know who this quote is from, it would have been too much work to keep track of that, but I'll have you know it wasn't me, so that's cool, right? I think it was some 1800s dude from England, but if he doesn't complain, who does it harm that I used his passage?"

Music artists who sample other artists? Generally they acknowledge who they sampled from. Those that don't (like when Vanilla Ice insisted his "Ice Ice Baby" sample *wasn't* "Under Pressure") get rightfully called out on it, as you are here.

The very least any content creator (who provides content that serves as a major part of your derived work) is entitled to, is having the contribution to its derived works explicitly identified. The onus should never be on the original content creator to have to protest the unauthorized reuse of his/her work. That's an absurd attempt at an application of intellectual property rights.



You keep using the word 'political'. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Can you respond to my tineye suggestion? Or it it just "I refuse to do any attribution work whatsoever because I'm too busy devoting all my free time fighting for my right not to do attribution work" again?


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Have you ever submitted any form of essay or research paper? Would it be OK to quote works without citation? Or in your bibliography / works cited, just saying "I don't know who this quote is from, it would have been too much work to keep track of that, but I'll have you know it wasn't me, so that's cool, right? I think it was some 1800s dude from England, but if he doesn't complain, who does it harm that I used his passage?"

Music artists who sample other artists? Generally they acknowledge who they sampled from. Those that don't (like when Vanilla Ice insisted his "Ice Ice Baby" sample *wasn't* "Under Pressure") get rightfully called out on it, as you are here.

The very least any content creator (who provides content that serves as a major part of your derived work) is entitled to, is having the contribution to its derived works explicitly identified. The onus should never be on the original content creator to have to protest the unauthorized reuse of his/her work. That's an absurd attempt at an application of intellectual property rights.


You keep using the word 'political'. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Can you respond to my tineye suggestion? Or it it just "I refuse to do any attribution work whatsoever because I'm too busy devoting all my free time fighting for my right not to do attribution work" again?



Yes, I have studied at Varsity. Yes I know how to write papers.

But lets be honest, every time you type "Lifelink" on a card, do you reference to "Lifelink is a keyword ability introduced in Future Sight in MtG, created by..........", no you don't because it has become standardized. Even though it took the design team months to do the design.

I will look into the tineye thing, never seen it before

I will remove my name from the cards for this set just to keep the peace..... not sure how you will display my effort where you will all get design credit.

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You could leave your names on the cards if you just include the artist's name as well. Something like "[artist name], compiled by Kithkin_Fieldmarshal".

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Indeed, the problem isn't the presence of your name, it's the absence of other at-least-as-important contributors to that card's creation. All three of designer, artist, and collator-renderer are important contributions. And your work is awesome. I just think that only including one of those three on the cards, and that one being you, and that name being the only one that will appear on every card, winds up delivering less useful information that just about any alternative. The only alternative that delivers less is having no names whatsoever (the one you've gone to).

There's lots of space in that black swath under the card frame - we sure don't need the Wizards of the Coast copyright passage on the lower right. Ample room to include all three. Especially if you choose to use a monogram for yourself (K_FM ?).


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Does MSE have the new template with the "designed by:" bit above the artist line? That could save a little space.

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Does MSE have the new template with the "designed by:" bit above the artist line? That could save a little space.

I thought you just used the flavor text box.

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Indeed, the problem isn't the presence of your name, it's the absence of other at-least-as-important contributors to that card's creation. All three of designer, artist, and collator-renderer are important contributions. And your work is awesome. I just think that only including one of those three on the cards, and that one being you, and that name being the only one that will appear on every card, winds up delivering less useful information that just about any alternative. The only alternative that delivers less is having no names whatsoever (the one you've gone to).

There's lots of space in that black swath under the card frame - we sure don't need the Wizards of the Coast copyright passage on the lower right. Ample room to include all three. Especially if you choose to use a monogram for yourself (K_FM ?).


-> Art: Edgar Degas / Card: Mown / Mockup: K_FM


Well think it is best not to put any name on it until we finish the set. This gives us time to decided how to do it best.

So artist in the artist line, then designer and K_FM in copyright line??

I dnt mind to use the Monogram, is anyone willing to help find the real artist so we can add them?

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