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Shall we walk the tight rope?
Poll ended at Mon Jul 25, 2016 3:47 pm
Yea: 80%  80%  [ 4 ]
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 3:47 pm 
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Title: Tight Ropes
Author: RavenoftheBlack
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Word Count: 1701

Here is another story that follows directly from Orcish's "Enough Rope to Hang By."

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Tight Ropes


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Maybe I asked this question earlier, but... has Nasperge any control on the cards he deals, or some form of foresight? As many of the character you write for, he has an excellent dramatic sense, but I can't shake the feeling he simply knew what the finals cards were. He could already know Perrine was a mage, surely, but we know that history has had quite a few "perrinesque" characters who have fulfilled their goals and weren't dethroned/punished for way too much time. Is his an informed prediction? Is it confidence in some form of justice?

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Maybe I asked this question earlier, but... has Nasperge any control on the cards he deals, or some form of foresight? As many of the character you write for, he has an excellent dramatic sense, but I can't shake the feeling he simply knew what the finals cards were. He could already know Perrine was a mage, surely, but we know that history has had quite a few "perrinesque" characters who have fulfilled their goals and weren't dethroned/punished for way too much time. Is his an informed prediction? Is it confidence in some form of justice?

I addressed this question briefly in the "Screams in the Dark" voting thread, but I'll give a slightly different answer here.

The short answer is no, I don't personally think he controls the cards. I think he lets them fall as they may.

The long answer is...maybe? It comes down to where you believe the magic lies here. It's possible that Aubedore cards and the process of doing an Aubedore reading have a certain ritualistic magic to them, that a combination of authentic Aubedore cards and a properly conducted reading do, in fact, access some sort of prophetic magic. If that is the case, then in theory, any properly trained Aubedore reader can use them to glimpse into the past, present, or future of the person for whom they are reading. And, based on the popularity of Aubedore throughout Thorneau, and the fact that Thineaus the Translator apparently mentioned the practice in some detail in his multi-planar Arcanum Obscurata (as established in "Between Two Worlds") then I think we can agree that there is likely something to the practice itself.

The opposite side of that spectrum is the belief that neither the cards nor the practice have any inherent magic, and the popularity of the practice on Thorneau is due to it simply being a good trick, like a cold reading, for instance. It is, after all, prevalent solely in carnivals, which are by nature populated with showwomen and showmen. We must also consider that we do not know in what manner Thineaus mentions or describes Aubedore, only that he does. Thineaus may have, at some point, travelled to Thorneau and gotten a reading. He may have been amused by it, or he may have even been taken in by the trick. We don't know.

Nasperge is, above all, a showman. He plays his cards close to the vest, he doesn't reveal his tricks, and he is always protecting the show. Now, in this story, Perrine Labelle makes the comment that Nasperge has a certain reputation as being, perhaps, the best Aubedore reader in Thorneau, and I don't think she's lying about that. So, the question remains, is he the best Aubedore reader because he's an amazing showman, or because he has access to a magic that other Aubedore readers do not?

I suspect, as with most things, that the truth lies somewhere in the middle. I don't think, in the MTG world, that Aubedore is "just a trick." I think there's more to it than that. And, given the fact that Nasperge has himself been surprised by his own readings on more than one occasion, I would say that Nasperge does not consciously control the cards. But the operative word there is "consciously." Nasperge is a magician in the stage performer sense of the word (although we know he does know magic, as well.) We can therefore surmise that "sleight of hand" is well within his capabilities, and I suspect that Nasperge is perfectly capable of "stacking the deck" if he wanted to.

So one other possibility is that Nasperge does have access to his own, personal, unique brand of prognostication, but doesn't realize it. Maybe Nasperge doesn't get "glimpses" of the future through visual means, as we see in many characters, or really in any way that he actually understands on a conscious level. But, maybe on a subconscious level, it's him reading the future, and he stacks the deck without realizing it. This way, he can consciously be surprised by the outcome even though a part of him knew it all along. We've seen Nas be surprised by the cards that came up, but we've also seen him "expect" certain cards. In the first reading we see him do in "The Magician's Crossroads," for instance, he is so sure what the last card will be that he bets his fee on it, and wins. Part of that might be that he's been doing this so long that he's gotten very good at reading people, which is true. But part of it might be that he knew it all along, but didn't know that he knew.

But of course, like all good magicians, I don't think Nasperge will ever really tell us his secrets. At least not all of them. Whether he knows the answers or not.


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Well, this surely reinforces the aura of ambiguity he has; I remember him a peculiar dialogue with an unknown character (who may or may not have dropped a nickname only Moira used, I don't remember exactly his dialogues with their common friend at Aliavelli's temple and I'm really sleepy right now) and casting the shadow (heh) of doubt whether many of his acts of misdirection are deliberate or so ingrained in his mind that he's putting a mask on his own heart, so to speak.

I'll make it a Yea u_u

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Well, this surely reinforces the aura of ambiguity he has; I remember him a peculiar dialogue with an unknown character (who may or may not have dropped a nickname only Moira used, I don't remember exactly his dialogues with their common friend at Aliavelli's temple and I'm really sleepy right now) and casting the shadow (heh) of doubt whether many of his acts of misdirection are deliberate or so ingrained in his mind that he's putting a mask on his own heart, so to speak.

I'll make it a Yea u_u

Oh, yeah, I remember that piece. "A Voice in the Dark." Poor Nasperge.

And yeah, Hepthia does call him "Nas" at least once, in "Many Happy Returns." It is definitely something that only those closest to the Magician ever use.


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Another great story that I missed the vote on. Anyway, it's a "yea" from me, for the sake of posterity.

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Is it bad I haven't yet learned our antagonist's name here? I always refer to her as "Madame du Collet" until her actual name comes up.

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Is it bad I haven't yet learned our antagonist's name here? I always refer to her as "Madame du Collet" until her actual name comes up.

Our dearest Perrine does revel in her titles, both official and unofficial.

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