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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 3:46 pm 
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Now that Amonkhet has been out for a couple weeks now and players have gotten accustomed to the new cards; how would you rank the 8 sets from the strongest to the weakest? In other words, if a new player were to just be getting into the game, which sets would you tell them go unlock first due to that set being really competetive out of the gate, then the next strongest set, then etc.

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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 4:09 pm 
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OGW for weakest. The Eldrazi tribe doesn't hold a candle to what synergies we have now, and the manabase commitment (whilst cute in Mono Green or Black) doesn't have the payoff necessary. Ob Nix, Chandra and Grasp are about the only non-colourless spells worth a damn.

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The only dissent I would voice-- I would say that Origins is better than Battle for Zendikar. There are a number of key cards from Origins that are still powerhouses, while others are almost essential tools for any deck. Disciple of the Ring, Kytheon, Nissa, Vastwood Seer, Valor in Akros, Sphinx's Tutelage, Telling Time, Erebos' Titan, Fog, Primal Bellow, Reclamation Sage... Suntail Hawk... Bounding Krasis, Evolving Wilds.

I can't think of too many things from Battle for Zendikar that equal the import of those spells. Ulamog, Plated Crusher, Ob Nixilis, Part the Waterveil, Gideon Ally of Arizona, a handful of others.

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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 4:14 pm 
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kaladesh
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AER
SOI
AKH
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 4:18 pm 
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The only dissent I would voice-- I would say that Origins is better than Battle for Zendikar. There are a number of key cards from Origins that are still powerhouses, while others are almost essential tools for any deck. "Valor in Akros, Erebos' Titan, Suntail Hawk."



these cards are ass... I literally laugh when someone plays suntail hawk against me.
Titan doesn't even make the cut in mono black lists 99% of the time.
and valor while cute, is a timmy card, if it costed 3 maybe(i know it can with herald, but that's still only a card you get 2 copies of)

i do agree that zendikar block overall just seems worse than origins, but the 3 cards mentioned above do not play any part in that reasoning.


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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 4:21 pm 
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OGW for weakest. The Eldrazi tribe doesn't hold a candle to what synergies we have now, and the manabase commitment (whilst cute in Mono Green or Black) doesn't have the payoff necessary. Ob Nix, Chandra and Grasp are about the only non-colourless spells worth a damn.


OGW gave us Sylvan Advocate, the Oaths, Pulse of Murasa, Stormchaser Mage, Kalitas, Reflector Mage, and Ayli for non-colorless cards that are worth a damn. Some of those alone are good enough to put OGW above last place.

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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 4:36 pm 
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soupcannon wrote:
The only dissent I would voice-- I would say that Origins is better than Battle for Zendikar. There are a number of key cards from Origins that are still powerhouses, while others are almost essential tools for any deck. "Valor in Akros, Erebos' Titan, Suntail Hawk."



these cards are ass... I literally laugh when someone plays suntail hawk against me.
Titan doesn't even make the cut in mono black lists 99% of the time.
and valor while cute, is a timmy card, if it costed 3 maybe(i know it can with herald, but that's still only a card you get 2 copies of)

i do agree that zendikar block overall just seems worse than origins, but the 3 cards mentioned above do not play any part in that reasoning.


To be fair, Suntail Hawk is a card that puts fear in plenty of experienced magic players ;)

Though it's from the D-cards, so it would be an argument for the D-cards being the best set.


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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 5:02 pm 
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What's the strongest/weakest Set and what Sets new players should unlock first/last are different questions. For example, BFZ is one of the weakest Sets we have, yet I'd say it should be unlocked right around the middle (before stuff like Eldritch Moon) because of the importance of the Dual lands.

As for the good cards in Origins, I'm surprised no one mentioned Languish, which is probably in the top 3 cards in that Set.

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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 5:30 pm 
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felbatista wrote:
What's the strongest/weakest Set and what Sets new players should unlock first/last are different questions. For example, BFZ is one of the weakest Sets we have, yet I'd say it should be unlocked right around the middle (before stuff like Eldritch Moon) because of the importance of the Dual lands.

As for the good cards in Origins, I'm surprised no one mentioned Languish, which is probably in the top 3 cards in that Set.


I would have agreed with you before amonkhet, but not that amonkhet is zombies matter and last hope lilly is one of the best walkers in the game I would say: kala>revolt>amonk>inn>eld would be the correct line.


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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 4:17 am 
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My overall rating:

1) KLD
Strongest Rare and Uncommon slots by a mile, while the Mythic and Common slots are still very good.

2) SOI
Strongest Mythic slot while having good Common/Uncommon slots; kinda weak rare slot, though.

3) BFZ
Very strong Rare slot (if only for the lands) with good Mythics and a few usable Commons; basically no Uncommon slot does hurt though.

4) AKH
Middle-of-the-pack for pretty much everything except the Mythic slot, where the sets falls short a tiny bit.

5) OGW
No good Commons at all get balanced by very good Mythics, okay rares and some good Uncommons.

6) AER
Some highlight/staple cards scattered throughout the set, but the overall power level is rather low.

7) EMN
Having the arguably worst rare slot hurts the set; decent Uncommons as well as middling Commons and Mythics

8) ORI
Really bad Uncommon and Rare slots without great Mythics; having the best Common slot doesn't make up for it.



If someone is interested, here's my rankings of the rarity slots I based this estimate upon (not commented, though)

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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2017 6:48 am 
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I suggest 1) ORI, 2) AKH, 3) SOI+EMN.
I personally do not rate KLD + AER as first priority set. Only 2-3 boring preconstructed decks.
Did not opened BFZ+OGW yet, so they are the last priority for me.

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