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| Author: | Modulo [ Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Amonkhet: Set anatomy and what we'll get in Duels (Speculation) |
This is a topic about the set's anatomy as well as its implications for the Duels card pool. As soon as we get the full spoiler, I could easily see turning it into a topic to speculate which cards we're gonna get in particular. So, judging from the collector's numbers, we know the following about the set (in collector's numbers): White: #001 (Angel of Sanctions) - #039 (Winged Shepherd) Blue: #040 (Ancient Crab) - #075 (Vizier of Tumbling Sands) Black: #078 (Archfiend of Ifnir) - #114 (Unburden) Red: #117 (Ahn-Crop Crasher) - #152 (Trial of Zeal) Green: #158 (Cartouche of Strength) - #193 (Watchful Naga) Multicolour: #196 (Bounty of the Luxa) - #207 (Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun) Split cards: #210 (Dusk//Dawn) - #224 (Heaven // Earth) Artifacts: #225 (Bontu's Monument) - #238 (Watchers of the Dead) Lands: #239 (Canyon Slough) - #248 (Sheltered Thicket) Basic lands: #250-#269 So, we know we'll get 39 White cards, but 38 Blue cards at most. Given we'll get 193-195 monocoloured cards, I'll guess we get 38-39 cards in each colour. That would mean 193 mono-coloured cards, 16 multi-coloured ones, 15 Split cards, 14 artifacts and 11 lands. The missing card I presume to be the third Mythic, which will be a two-colour planeswalker. If that assumption is correct, the planeswalker is definitely blue, definitely not white and highly unlikely black. It's going to be either a Simic or an Izzet walker. Given the numbers we know I'd lean towards Izzet, but the rare enchantment Bounty of the Luxa rather points into the Simic direction, making it a bit unclear. We'll have 16 multicoloured cards. I presume we will get an allied Uncommon cycle that hasn't been spoiled yet (to complement the enemy Uncommon Split cycle), a full cycle of double-coloured rares, and the mythic Walker. We already know we'll get 15 split cards: one monocoloured Rare cycle, one ally-coloured Rare cycle and an enemy-coloured Uncommon cycle. We know we'll get 14 artifacts. 5 of these are the Uncommon monuments; we also know the uncommon Watchers of the Dead as well as three Rares. I presume one artifact to be Mythic (see below); the other four are common/uncommon. We also know we'll get 11 lands. 5 of these are the rare Cycling lands; 5 of them will likely be an Uncommon/Common cycle for manafixing (I guess the Deserts; likely enemy-coloured Guildgate-alikes), the final land we can only speculate about (probably Evolving Wilds seeing how it would have rotated out of Standard with BfZ) Since we have the exact same number of card we had in Kaladesh (249), I'll guess the Rarities off that set. Kaladesh had 15 Mythics, 53 Rares, 80 Uncommons, 101 Commons. If we assume the same numbers for this set, we'll get the following: Mythics: We know there'll be 5 monocoloured Gods, and we know one non-God non-Walker Mythic from each colour. We know Gideon and Lili, we know there'll be a third Walker (which I made my assumptions about), and I think we'll see another Mythic in either Red or Green (whichever colour the Walker is not in). This leaves us with one final Mythic; and I guess it's going to be an artifact (probably one that uses brick counters) Out of the 53 Rares, we know the two split cycles (5 cards each), and I'll presume the 10-card multicolour cycle. We also know 3 artifacts. This'd leave us with 6 Rares per colour (not counting the mono-coloured split cards), which seems like a decent number considering the set's size. Note that we know 4 Rares of some colours already. Out of the 80 Uncommons, we know the split cycle (5 cards) and the Monument cycle (5 cards). I also presume an allied multicolour cycle (5 cards) and we don't know whether the land cycle will be common or uncommon (I'll assume Common, see below). Given that we know Watchers of the Dead, I will assume 4 artifacts or 3 artifacts plus the non-cycle land to be Uncommons (5 cards). This leaves us with 12 Uncommons per colour (we know 7 from some colours). None of the 101 Commons will be split- or multicolour-cards; and only one artifact or non-cycle land will be common. This is why I presume the land cycle to be Common rather than Uncommon, as this still leaves us with 19 Commons per colour (we know 11 in White). As for Duels, we'll see the usual big set fare: 10 Mythics, 35 Rares, 52 Uncommons, 61 Commons. For the Mythics, I'll assume the Gods, the Walkers and 2 assorted Mythics (likely the artifact as well as one of the mono-coloured Mythics; I could see the artifact being left out which would lead us to 2 monocoloured Mythics) For the Rares, I think none of the artifacts are going to make it (maybe 1 if we don't get the full Rare cycle). The lands will be in only if some of the split cards are left out I believe; as we won't see them cut all of the multi-coloured Rares (I hope we don't get the full cycle, though). I believe we'll get 4 mono-coloured Rares per colour (maybe including the split cards, maybe not) and 15 of the multicolour/split cards. We don't know enough Uncommons/Commons to make final assumptions which ones are in and which are not. |
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| Author: | SKAAB [ Tue Apr 11, 2017 7:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Amonkhet: Set anatomy and what we'll get in Duels (Speculation) |
The third Walker is Nissa. |
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| Author: | HARBiNG3R [ Tue Apr 11, 2017 7:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Amonkhet: Set anatomy and what we'll get in Duels (Speculation) |
We got Kiora not to long ago so I doubt it's another   walker. My guess it's  so probably a new Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver, he really doesn't have a plane so this would be a good opportunity. Although we did also get Tezzeret soooo.... may be he just makes the trip back Amonkhet which would make too much sense but I digress.
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| Author: | Giocher [ Tue Apr 11, 2017 7:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Amonkhet: Set anatomy and what we'll get in Duels (Speculation) |
HARBiNG3R wrote: We got Kiora not to long ago so I doubt it's a walker. My guess it's so probably a new [c]Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver[/], he really doesn't have a plane so this would be a good opportunity.Based on what you wrote, we got Tezzeret even sooner, and Saheeli for Izzet. Any chance for a Bolas walker? For example Jimmy Bolas, son of the Pharaoh. |
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| Author: | HARBiNG3R [ Tue Apr 11, 2017 7:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Amonkhet: Set anatomy and what we'll get in Duels (Speculation) |
Giocher wrote: HARBiNG3R wrote: We got Kiora not to long ago so I doubt it's a walker. My guess it's so probably a new [c]Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver[/], he really doesn't have a plane so this would be a good opportunity.Based on what you wrote, we got Tezzeret even sooner, and Saheeli for Izzet. Any chance for a Bolas walker? For example Jimmy Bolas, son of the Pharaoh. Yeah I know, I edited my post like 3 times. Might just be tezzeret going back to Amonkhet. |
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| Author: | Modulo [ Tue Apr 11, 2017 7:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Amonkhet: Set anatomy and what we'll get in Duels (Speculation) |
SKAAB wrote: The third Walker is Nissa. What makes you so certain about this? The Nissa we've seen is pretty likely to be fake and does not appear on official spoiler sites... HARBiNG3R wrote: We got Kiora not to long ago so I doubt it's another walker. My guess it's so probably a new Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver, he really doesn't have a plane so this would be a good opportunity. Although we did also get Tezzeret soooo.... may be he just makes the trip back Amonkhet which would make too much sense but I digress.We got Saheeli even more recently than Kiora; the same for Dovin Baan and Tezzeret for the other blue dual-colours. I don't think it's going to be another Tezzeret; Bolas is unlikely due to him being in Hour of Devastation. |
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| Author: | HARBiNG3R [ Tue Apr 11, 2017 7:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Amonkhet: Set anatomy and what we'll get in Duels (Speculation) |
So than it's likely that it's just straight mono blue, a Jace reprint? Or could be Kiora since she is the oldest of the dual cards. Assuming it is in fact blue. |
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| Author: | felbatista [ Tue Apr 11, 2017 8:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Amonkhet: Set anatomy and what we'll get in Duels (Speculation) |
Modulo wrote: SKAAB wrote: The third Walker is Nissa. What makes you so certain about this? The Nissa we've seen is pretty likely to be fake and does not appear on official spoiler sites... HARBiNG3R wrote: We got Kiora not to long ago so I doubt it's another walker. My guess it's so probably a new Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver, he really doesn't have a plane so this would be a good opportunity. Although we did also get Tezzeret soooo.... may be he just makes the trip back Amonkhet which would make too much sense but I digress.We got Saheeli even more recently than Kiora; the same for Dovin Baan and Tezzeret for the other blue dual-colours. I don't think it's going to be another Tezzeret; Bolas is unlikely due to him being in Hour of Devastation. The Nissa card was fake, but the artwork isn't. We'll get a Nissa either now or in HOD, most likely now. |
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| Author: | SKAAB [ Tue Apr 11, 2017 8:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Amonkhet: Set anatomy and what we'll get in Duels (Speculation) |
The card is fake.But the art is real. http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/ar ... 2017-02-20 And in my LGS,they are selling card box with that new art. 
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| Author: | WrightJustice [ Tue Apr 11, 2017 8:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Amonkhet: Set anatomy and what we'll get in Duels (Speculation) |
Yeah but they also just had the Nissa art in like a early reveal of arts in an Amonkhet article and people been assuming she is in the set as a PW card since then, so it's not out of the question for LGSes to jump on it and have boxes with said art on it. Though of course they look proper official, even then we dunno if it is PW art. |
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| Author: | felbatista [ Tue Apr 11, 2017 8:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Amonkhet: Set anatomy and what we'll get in Duels (Speculation) |
The thing is, the ratio used in that art is only used in walkers (and Eldazi, I guess). And the deckboxes and stuff are official. |
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| Author: | Modulo [ Tue Apr 11, 2017 8:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Amonkhet: Set anatomy and what we'll get in Duels (Speculation) |
HARBiNG3R wrote: So than it's likely that it's just straight mono blue, a Jace reprint? Or could be Kiora since she is the oldest of the dual cards. Assuming it is in fact blue. I don't think it's mono-blue. As we know, Blue has one card less in its colour; that imbalance is likely related to a Mythic missing. If the walker were mono-blue, he would be in the blue collector's numbers and there would not be any reason for the discrepancy. We already know White will have 3 Mythics (we've seen all of them), we know Black will have 3 Mythics (Bontu will be a card and will be a Mythic). We have not seen a third Red or Green Mythic yet (we've seen 2 red Mythics, one of them being Hazoret; we've seen 1 Green Mythic and have Rhona pending). That's my reasoning for assuming Izzet or Simic; and knowing we get at least 193 monocoloured cards means that at least 3 colours will get 39 cards (which is the argument against Temur). SKAAB wrote: The card is fake.But the art is real. http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/ar ... 2017-02-20 Okay; I'll buy that for now. Still think she'll rather be the second walker in Hour of Devastation (aside from Bolas, whose colours she'd complement really well) If Nissa were the third planeswalker, we would not have any walker on the boosted packaging, which would be quite a novelty:  Thus, I'd probably look out for the girl on the booster second to the right (everyone else is known) |
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| Author: | Black Barney [ Tue Apr 11, 2017 8:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Amonkhet: Set anatomy and what we'll get in Duels (Speculation) |
I'd like to hear more about this Jimmy Bolas fella |
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| Author: | HARBiNG3R [ Tue Apr 11, 2017 9:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Amonkhet: Set anatomy and what we'll get in Duels (Speculation) |
Black Barney wrote: I'd like to hear more about this Jimmy Bolas fella Well he created the plane of Amonkhet before he lost the majority of his power. The first set is mainly a top down Egyptian set and the second is a top down Bolas set, should be interesting. I think Bolas was amassing an army of elite soldiers to attack other planes, hence why he had Tezzeret build a planar bridge. |
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| Author: | WrightJustice [ Tue Apr 11, 2017 9:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Amonkhet: Set anatomy and what we'll get in Duels (Speculation) |
Actually if Nissa is gonna be in the block it's gonna be Amonkhet. MaRo stated that starting with Hours the amount of printed Gatewatch 5 cards will be cut down, which suggests no Gatewatch card in Hours. Like Hours first set where complaints of number of Gatewatch cards caught up to design and so Hours first set where they started the plan to do less printings of the Gatewatch. |
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| Author: | BounceBurnBuff [ Tue Apr 11, 2017 9:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Amonkhet: Set anatomy and what we'll get in Duels (Speculation) |
How the **** did you guess simic? AND it was Nissa? You're a witch! 
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| Author: | Modulo [ Tue Apr 11, 2017 9:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Amonkhet: Set anatomy and what we'll get in Duels (Speculation) |
Well, I didn't know it was Nissa; and I thought it was a tossup between Simic and Izzet. Still, pleaseantly surprised by her. |
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| Author: | callmemaggit [ Tue Apr 11, 2017 12:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Amonkhet: Set anatomy and what we'll get in Duels (Speculation) |
BounceBurnBuff wrote: How the **** did you guess simic? AND it was Nissa? You're a witch! Nice t4-t5 play |
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| Author: | BounceBurnBuff [ Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Amonkhet: Set anatomy and what we'll get in Duels (Speculation) |
Cards we could get in the set I'm hoping for (that don't seem hard to code): Cast Out, Never//Return, Cut//Ribbons, Lay Bare the Heart, Glyph Keeper, Sweltering Suns and Enigma Drake. |
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| Author: | Modulo [ Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Amonkhet: Set anatomy and what we'll get in Duels (Speculation) |
I'll go more into detail later. Mythics: We'll 100% get the five Gods, and I'm pretty certain we'll get the three Walkers as well. This leaves 2 Mythic slots. Contrary to what people think over in the speculations thread, I think it's pretty likely we get Samut; she's a relevant character for the story, not too hard to code and looks flashy as all heck for a creature. The last slot is still open for debate. The only card we'll 100% not get IMO is Combat Celerant. As Foretold is unlikely; the last monocoloured Mythic we have't seen yet is possible (and kinda likely if it is a red Mythic that's not too hard to code), Angel of Sanctions or Cruel Reality are likely. Personally hoping for Vizier of the Menagerie, but I think it's unlikely given the "look at the top card" clause which could be hard to implementiert given Duels' Interface. Rares: The full set has 53 rares: 30 in the colours (6 per colour), 10 split cards, the Cycling lands, 4 multicoloured ones, 3 artifacts and one land. I'll assume 4/7 Rares per colour (6 + mono-colour aftermaths), 10 overall multicolour/artifact rares (including the 2-colour rare split cycle). The remaining 5 could be additional multicolour/artifact rares (unlikely since they pretty much have to break the Aftermath cycle here), 5 additional mono-colour rares (possible if they include the full monocolour aftermath cycle) or the five Cycling lands. For now, I'll assume we get the land cycle. White: Gideon's Intervention is straight out due to "name a card". Approach of the Second Sun is a card I hope we don't get (we only get 2 copies making the combo a lot harder to pull off). This means we have to get at least one of Aven Mindcensor/Anointed Procession; I hope it's the former but it possibly is the latter. The remaining 3 White rares (Glory-Bound Initiate, Regal Caracal, Dusk//Dawn) are very likely to be in. I could possibly see Caracal being omitted if we get both Mindcensor and Procession. Blue: We haven't seen the mono-blue split card yet so I'll hold my judgment here. I could actually see all 6 of the other Blue Rares making Duels; the one I think is least likely to make it is New Perspectives (which is good because it is the worst of the blue Rares by a mile). Vizier of Many Faces I could see being omitted as well; but seeing how we already have a Clone he could easily make it. I'm almost certain both Sphinges are in (Curator of Mysteries and Glyph Keeper), pretty certain Drake Haven is in as well. Pull From Tomorrow I'm on the fence about; I certainly hope it's in over the the blue Aftermath card, but if the blue Aftermath card is in I doubt we'll see Pull. Black: All of Liliana's Expertise, Dread Wanderer, Plague Belcher and Archfiend of Ifnir I'd consider likely to make the cut; if one of them gets omitted I'd believe it is Dread Wanderer. Never//Return is a planeswalker removal card Duels desperately needs; but it is competeing for the slot with Dread Wanderer. Shadow of the Grave is almost certainly out; as is the last Black rare we haven't seen yet. Red: The cards I'm pretty confident about here are Glorybringer (in) and Harsh Mentor (out). Soul-Scar Mage I'd consider unlikely, but possible; Hazoret's Favor is pretty likely (unfortunately), Sweltering Suns is a card I'm hoping we get (realistically the chances of us getting it are around 50:50), Insult//Injury would also be 50:50 if not for the split card bonus making it more likely. Green: We have enough ramp spells that I hope we don't get Harvest Season. Prowling Serpopard is bland enough that I could see it both in or out, depending on what the last Green rare is. Champion of Rhonas I'd consider unlikely (would be pretty cool though). The cards we'll pretty likely get are Honored Hydra, Mouth//Feed and Channeler Initiate (PLEASE let me be right on the Channeler) Multicolour/Artifacts: I considered the rare Split cycle to be very likely in, until BBB pointed out we couldn't get Failure//Comply (due to naming a card on Comply). The other four split cards (Prepare//Fight, Rags//Riches, Cut//Ribbons and Heaven//Earth) are likely to be in. Similarly, I'll guess the multicoloured Rares we've seen so far are in (Temmet, Hapatra, Neheb, Bounty of the Luxa). I could see Neheb or Bounty getting cut, though. Oracle of the Vault and Pyramid of the Pantheon seem likely inclusions; I doubt we'll get Cascading Cataracts as that would take too many rare slots for lands and doesn't really add anything besides Indestructible. I hope we'll get Throne of the God-Pharaoh over Neheb, but I'm not sure about that. |
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