I'll be watching a recap tonight, but to the surprise of no one, "Crazy-Cat-Lady" looks like the big deck of day one so far. Anyone seen any of the coverage yet and have any new deck ideas from it?

On reddit; people are expecting improvise decks to be a contender.

I'll give my full hypothesis in a bit.

I did catch the ending of Louis' game with his version. Some awkward hands/draws TBH, I'll check if there are others I missed later. ATM it seems to be a lot of "who drops Authority of the Consuls with counter mana up" first in Copy Cat mirrors.

I haven't tuned in, but hasn't there been some talk about an Esper aggro deck? I'm sure someone put in some work in one of the recent PTQs. Maybe I'm imagining things: I'll have to see if I can look it up.

Seems more like Esper tempo/flash.

Having looked it up I'm not even sure I'd call it Esper: black is only for Scrounger's Effect.

Nothing to do with new ideas, but duels music during the breaks

I had a laugh watching the Rakdos vs GB snek match for 8/0


DismalFaith1 : @whatthesphinxrevealed No, at that point it's too late to target the Heart with the trigger
surikatamans : cesar kill him
Subscriber karnage1313 : becase he cheats
Subscriber Twitch Prime ValkyrieNoel : #NguyenKarma!
DanielDurman : CESAR BOYS
Smipth : missed trigger
Twitch Prime Covertgoblue : you all should have seen Magic in the 90s.....we scummed and got scummed every game


It's funny cuzz it's true

They paused a 7-0 match for 10 minutes over a language barrier issue and made a judge call to screw over the spanish speaker. They couldn't have made it less exciting to watch if they actively tried to do so.

At least Cesar managed to win the match the end.

Started watching at Round 5. Feels like the Cat decks are having a hard time with everyone beating their faces as fast as possible.

Of course it's just day 1 of the PT (which is way too early to draw any conclusions about the format), but it does look like we went from a format with 3 decks to a format with 3 different decks.

That's one very biased way to look at it.

He made the mistake, it happens. I doubt he'll make it again. And his play overall was spot on and super aggressive. Kudos to him.

It was a correct ruling, but the other guy is gonna be carrying some bad rep for rules lawyering vs someone who does not speak english and then stll losing the match. He didn't do a bad thing, he could've done the 'spirit of the law' correct thing and he failed to do that. Just my 2c.

I meet scumbags on ladder on steam all day, they start losing and they start 'rules lawyerin' the engine

http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/cove ... 2017-02-03

Statistics on decklist!

I think accusing the guy of rules lawyering is a little bit unfair. You need to be extra careful about making sure everything is clear when there's language barrier on the match. Specially because what Cesar wanted to do (Crewing Heart and targeting it with Weldfast's ability after leaving his mainphase) was impossible.

I was actually rooting for Nguyen. At least I did until the judge called that 'going to combat' doesn't actually mean moving to the beginning of combat but instead means 'going to declare attackers'.



This is more like it. Missing the weldfast trigger on the heart is fair, Segovia missed his chance by not doing it main phase. Making him miss the weldfast trigger entirely and also the opportunity to crew? That's just a good old fashioned gotcha and that's not what a feature match should be about. I don't hold it against Nguyen, he's trying to win after all, but I do think the judges dropped the ball there.

back when i used to compete in CCGs for $$, North Americans would routinely use judges as 'weapons' to get an edge in the game, whereas Europeans would use the clock (time) to get an edge. They'd routinely stall to get wins, which was considered totally appropriate in European organized play, but unheard of in North American tournaments. The reverse was true about using judges. Some judges were really really good though and you couldn't really abuse that cuz they'd always rule correctly.

So i didn't see what the issue was in this instance. But I know they're playing for a lot more money than I used to so I imagine people will try to abuse certain aspects of organized play to their advantage. As long as they don't cheat, I think that's fine.

This was a big issue in last year's WSOP cuz of some player that really pushed the enveloppe about stalling and talking. I'm still not sure how I feel about it cuz a bunch of pros were totally showing horrific etiquette in how they'd speak to him or about him (worse than the perp) but at the same time, the guy is disrupting the game so you have to reign that in.

If you call over a judge and the judge makes the correct decision, there isn't an issue. "Rules lawyering" is just a lazy term used by people who make play errors and try to use a mulligan to undo a mistake.

It's the Pro Tour. Act like a professional and don't make mistakes. And accept judges' rulings, especially if the judge is correct.

This had me dying tho

If judges are involved, you can be damn sure they're going to use RAW. It's entirely possible that the judge was called to clarify that he missed his chance with Heart and the judge realised that Segovia also missed his chance with Weldfast. And you can't say a judge dropped the ball by actually folowing the rules of the game (sucks that "combat" being a shortcut for declaring attackers is an obscure rule, but it's on Segovia for not knowing that).

Bottom line, always try to be as clear as possible about what you're doing during a game of Magic, even if there's a language barrier. The head judge even made sure to remind everyone about that in the coverage right after the appeal.