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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:34 pm 
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If welcome to the fold wasn't get love before, I don't see how this fixes it. It's life gain, it's not an OP effect or anything.


If I'm looking for more madness cards in Blue and Red, it's an option.


There are better options, IMO. Run the counterspell instead, for example. And in any case, this is only if you are insisting on Jeskai for some reason.... AND insisting on going all in on madness, also for some reason. :P


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Looking good, Tamiyo, I got the perfect spot for you. Let's draw ALL the cards

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:38 pm 
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If welcome to the fold wasn't get love before, I don't see how this fixes it. It's life gain, it's not an OP effect or anything.


If I'm looking for more madness cards in Blue and Red, it's an option.


There are better options, IMO. Run the counterspell instead, for example. And in any case, this is only if you are insisting on Jeskai for some reason.... AND insisting on going all in on madness, also for some reason. :P


Trying different things out in a game for fun? Shocking :p

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You're talking to the guy who's throat is still sore from everyone jumping down it after I picked Expose Evil. :p

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You're talking to the guy who's throat is still sore from everyone jumping down it after I picked Expose Evil. :p


That's what you get for trying all the cards. :p


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You're talking to the guy who's throat is still sore from everyone jumping down it after I picked Expose Evil. :p


That's what you get for trying all the cards. :p


Correction, trying the WRONG cards :mob:

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:50 pm 
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I was thinking with the Jeskai build where I use Fiery Temper and Just the Wind as playsets. There aren't many good discard outlets apart from Lightning Axe and baby Jace I'd want to invest in, but this would at least turn every Fiery Temper into a Lightning Helix


I was thinking for my Jeskai as well. Currently, there are times where just a little life gain could make the difference in a match. It is useful for Firey Temper, and there is often land to toss late game. Also, for my deck it would open up Avacyn's Judgment for me in the slot of Oath of Chandra. The downside is that it is a card that does nothing on it's own, and more then on copy is not worth much (Although, I guess you can discard for 3 life).

IMO, the new Celestial Flare escalation card will provide my desired lifegain in Jeskai. I will still test it, but I think it comes up short.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 4:05 pm 
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New cards! New good cards even!

Let's start with the least exciting. Prey Upon is fine but as people have already mentioned we have Rabid Bite and I'd rather pay the +1 mana to keep my own guy alive and well. At least until I can look through the pool and find some creature that actually want to die. If there are any we will be in business.

Wailing Ghoul is lovely. Yes we already have Screeching Skaab who serves literally the same purpose (which actually worries me vis-a-vis actually getting the Ghoul) but I personally think this is better. 1/3 is that little bit harder to reach with removal and it can actually block early game aggressive creatures without dying. Like it!

Peace of Mind. Yes. Yes! This I like. This I can work with. For me the simple fact that it allows me to get instant speed lifegain is it's most important feature. Being able to buff/trigger junk like Malakir Familiar, Bloodbond Vampire and Serene Steward (or indeed provide an easy transform trigger for Lone Rider) is just beautiful. I've spent forever trying to hammer that stupid Orzhov lifegain deck into shape and it looks like this set my be what finishes it up.

Tamiyo, Field Researcher. Damn it Jace! Why can't you let anyone else be a mono-blue planeswalker. You suck eggs, let someone else have a shot. Ranting aside jeez this thing is powerful. Mana is probably going to be a bitch but hey that's what we have Oath of Nissa for. Fun note about her first ability - it's just 'combat damage', not 'combat damage to an opponent' so feel free to slap it on a token and just blindly throw them forward. Blocked or not it's two cards for you. Or target your opponents monsters to dissuade them from attacking/blocking.

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How fun would it be if the new Lili is a tricolor walker?

Like Grixis Liliana.

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How fun would it be if the new Lili is a tricolor walker?

Like Grixis Liliana.


While it's probably not going to happen I could get behind a B/U Lily. I mean I don't even know her abilities yet but I can guess she'll work in a theoretical zombie deck. Because she has literally one string to her bow.

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Oh geez, Tamiyo and Tutelage..."Yeah, sure. You swing with those guys, mill yourself 6 while I block with Gideon tokens."

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 4:25 pm 
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How fun would it be if the new Lili is a tricolor walker?

Like Grixis Liliana.


While it's probably not going to happen I could get behind a B/U Lily. I mean I don't even know her abilities yet but I can guess she'll work in a theoretical zombie deck. Because she has literally one string to her bow.


UB would be fine, but I'm more interested in her forcing a difficult mana base if only because it would definitely make her a real force. Grixis makes sense since it's the core madness colors and she was all about embracing the madness to defeat Emrakul.

Make her +1 a great madness enabler, her -2 a zombie swarm effect, and then her ultimate some sort of mass reanimator.

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+1 Draw 2 cards, then discard 2 cards.
-2 Put three 2/2 Zombies onto the battlefield tapped.
-8 Exile all creatures in all graveyards. Put a 2/2 Zombie onto the battlefield for each creature exiled this way.

5 Loyalty



Good, fun, stupid powerful.

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Unfortunately she going to be the Gatewatch's token black member so she'll end up being mono. Which sucks. Not that she's mono black (that's fine) but that she's a member of the Gatewatch now. The Gatewatch suck.

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Unfortunately she going to be the Gatewatch's token black member so she'll end up being mono. Which sucks. Not that she's mono black (that's fine) but that she's a member of the Gatewatch now. The Gatewatch suck.


I hope her Oath is stupid powerful, though. It's gotta be a discard effect, right?

Dream scenario:

"2B Enchantment

When Oath of Liliana enters the battlefield, target opponent discards two cards. At the beginning of your upkeep, you may return a creature from your graveyard to the battlefield with converted mana cost equal or less than the number of Planeswalkers you control"

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If Liliana changes her colors it'll be to Abzan, because she's a powergamer and W/G are the best colors in Magic.

Her +1 will be to make Zombie Siege Rhino tokens.


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If welcome to the fold wasn't get love before, I don't see how this fixes it. It's life gain, it's not an OP effect or anything.
It allows you to use it as an instant on your opponents turn for a pretty cheap cost?


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If welcome to the fold wasn't get love before, I don't see how this fixes it. It's life gain, it's not an OP effect or anything.
It allows you to use it as an instant on your opponents turn for a pretty cheap cost?

Esper Madness could be fun. Not great, but certainly fun. And this is a hard to remove enabler.

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Wailing Ghoul is lovely. Yes we already have Screeching Skaab who serves literally the same purpose (which actually worries me vis-a-vis actually getting the Ghoul) but I personally think this is better. 1/3 is that little bit harder to reach with removal and it can actually block early game aggressive creatures without dying. Like it!


I'm hoping the fact that they're diff colors will help us get the wailer. Maybe they'll throw this bone to people who want to build a mono black zombie deck?

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Do you guys think bant has enough evasion with green trample and azorius airbeats + skyrider elf to fully support tamiyo's + 1 no matter what creature card you draw?

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