Paper meet rock, have fun guys!

It's the one aspect of our game I hate, you can't build super versatile decks that can handle everything and expect to beat focused decks. Mill decks exist to be the paper that foils midrange but die to aggro and control that included enchant hate (not all do).

Control beats mill? Not often on the draw, although Censor has improved that slightly. Even then, you're relying on running White 2 of cards (so tough luck Grixis )

There are a number of options control decks can take to handle mill. Sure most of them are in and . I used to run an abzan delirium deck during shadows/EMN that ran 3 angelic purge and 2 anguished unmaking and an elf that had no problems with mill. We have cast out now. For low low of just fragmentize is a silver bullet and we still have angelic purge and ye ole offering. can disperse it and catch them on the way down, plus censor. The only colors screwed on enchant removal are and decks but that's always been a weakness of those colors.

Commit // Memory is also a thing now.

Actually, my rakdos decks don't have all that much trouble with mill. Sure, I don't really have any options to deal with a resolved tutelage, but raw early speed, graveyard recursion and burn are tough for mill decks to handle (especially if you have plenty of hasty or hard to kill creatures).

Mill is just so bad against Insult // Injury, which has been common on the ladder.

I play turbo fog and am yet to see insult//injury.
I have been expecting people to jam it but honestly not a single copy atm.

I see a lot more people playing random bad exert decks for some reason(I assume because of newer players using D cards)
besides that it's the normal easy wins of superfriends and vehicles. these decks are almost an auto win as turbo fog.

Finally got around to playing with new gideon... I think he may be bad outright. T3 gideon wasn't even a problem for my opponent. That's pretty awful first time out, just cut him from my deck lol. By comparison, the much easier to run Aethersphere Harvester would have won me the game.

The best thing I can say about Gideon is he's good for control decks against midrange playing a few heavy hitters (+1 the hardest threat for eternity, remove the rest). He sucks against aggro who play too many threats, he sucks against go-wide decks like tokens, he sucks against control because he's just a 4/4, and against mill he'll get Dispersed when they empty your library even with his emblem.

Fel got it right, he just doesn't impact the board enough.

Yeah, I guess so... I was just surprised, because I've spent the better part of this season playing UB. I didn't expect disappointment. T3 PW is supposed to be a big deal. This was not.

I mean, strictly speaking he's not the worst 3 drop white aggro could play. Reads as a 4/4 indestructible that can't block, the problem is that curve shelf life isn't great for a mythic that only offers anything else if you're already losing.

His +1 is effectively blocking damage and generally he will save you the amount of damage it takes to send him to the gy. I can't argue the lack of board he brings outside of that.

I wonder if there is a way to use him in conjunction with that angel nobody played.

Did you try it with sweepers or with 2-3-4 drops that are solid at attacking and blocking? I wouldn't bother if I didn't have one of these. The stepchild of defang and prison term probably needs to abuse the fact that it survives sweepers to shine and beefy creatures could help either by attacking into blockers that would otherwise trade or by defending gideon when he stop having any effect on the board to attack.

The thing about Gideon of the Trials is that you have to somewhat build your deck around him if you're not playing aggro. You don't have to do that with Gideon, Ally of Zendikar, which is why everyone hates him.

Can't say he sucks against control. Sure he's just a 4/4, but he's still a planeswalker - he dodges sorcery-speed removal, and doesn't die to stuff like Harnessed Lightning or Fatal Push either. But yeah, I took him out of my decks and don't miss him.

OK fine, he dodges sweepers Languish Planar Outburst Radiant Flames

But dies to Grasp of Darkness. Vehicles dodge sweepers too, they are all better cards imo. I'd rather run Copter, Harvester, skysovereign, the hasted 4 drop, etc... probably Caravan.

When I saw him t3 I was thinking this should be in the bag, imagine my surprise. Lol

Unless you have a Brain in a Jar...

Grasp costs BB and is not an easy card to cast. Not every control deck can run it. Vehicles dodge sweepers, but require a pilot which is vulnerable to removal. Copter is Copter, but I'd probably run Gideon over an Aethersphere Harvester in an aggressive white deck. After all, Gideon can actually do something if you're not on the offensive, and he's an indestructible attacker that plays well with pump effects. As for Skysovereign, Caravan and Fleetwheel Cruiser, they fill different roles. Caravan would be better in e.g. Mardu vehicles since after all you need the fixing and can't reliably generate WW on turn three, and is not something I'd run if I'm just after a 3-mana pseudo-creature.

Also even with Brain in a Jar, Languish is the only sweeper of the three that kills Gideon ...