I don't think the issue is that Shadow runs more than 60 cards. The issue is that he claims adding cards to a deck can enhance its performance. In reality, he's just being results-oriented and remembering the flashy win he got because of Zombie Apocalypse (fictitious example) and failing to remember all the times where it did exactly nothing.

Either that or he's just irritating people for fun because he knows they'll take the bait rather than just ignore him.

100% agree. It's been argued to death and I'm guilty of it more than any other. I'll continue to speak of trying larger decks, but in my own thread. Disagree if you like, but please let others post their own larger deck builds. Critique their card choices, not the deck size.

I don't think the issue is that Shadow runs more than 60 cards. The issue is that he claims adding cards to a deck can enhance its performance. In reality, he's just being results-oriented and remembering the flashy win he got because of Zombie Apocalypse (fictitious example) and failing to remember all the times where it did exactly nothing.

Either that or he's just irritating people for fun because he knows they'll take the bait rather than just ignore him.

There's also a tendency of most of you to exaggerate my position by saying I support 100 card decks or whatever. No, the limit is 70 and I only run 1 deck at that number. I run about 5 at 64 cards, and the rest 60 on the dot. I'm going to bold that as people keep forgetting I typed it. However, if a player wants to run the huge ones, I'm not going to fault him and will advise him if asked.

I didn't count ours Neosilk as we only teamed a few times. However, for his first time ever in a 2hg match, he did himself proud using the much ridiculed(wrongly) Dragon Deck. In fact, he inspired me to improve my own and I'm now proud of it too.(Yes, it has to be one of the 60 cards as it has no draw. Really, would one black draw spell have been too much?)

I, as many know, love the dragon deck... Garren likes Slivers

No disrespect, but I didn't read past this because this is where this entire argument ends.

Seriously, this is to EVERYONE.

Nothing more need be added to the subject. This line I quoted is literally End of Story as far as that discussion goes.

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I'm serious. Make a GoL of at least 66 but no more than 70 cards and then play 2hg. I'm not saying this to be sarcastic, or obtuse or whatever, but for you to discover. Don't just throw cards in there though but put ones you want to play. At 70 cards, run 25 lands or, I promise you, you will get mana flooded. If you run 24, you'll get mana screwed. Yeah, that sounds weird, but it's true.

Since it's 2hg, try to team with someone with a lot of creatures you can enchant. That means no Dodge and Burn and no Mana Maze. Go light on creatures. Run 4 x kor, 2 x mesa, 2 x Totem Hartebeast, Dawn Elemental, and whatever else you prefer. Run as many enchants as you can 5 and under mana, but none above. Run all tutors. Run Retether. Focus on enchanting your opponent's creatures, they won't mind, I assure you,lol. Don't run many more creatures but the ones you do, focus on quality chumps as that's what they'll basically be.

If you have a steady partner, have them run Hunter's Strength and make sure they know to put Sacred Wolves in. I'm sure they'll know to put predator ooze in but many do not see the advantages to hexproof creatures like the wolves. I once had a serious argument with mjack over this. I ask you, friend, how can anyone not see the advantages to hexproof creatures?

You will find you'll speed through a lot of draw. I've milled myself down to 7 cards at times. When you have to discard, discard an enchant you don't need atm. You'll be setting up a retether win if it occurs. If you win with retether, unless you're the host or partnered with the host, don't be surprised if they kick you out of the lobby. It's happened to me so many times I've digital footprints on my ass.

You will find, if opponents are quality, that they know how to handle enchant decks but do NOT know how to handle the enchantment flood that you will unleash on them. That reminds me, spread the wealth in regards to the enchants. don't go for one super creature. Yeah, occasionally you can sneak one in but it's best to plan for more than that.

Be careful with Angelic Destiny now. Halo Hunters are now a staple in Lords of Darkness decks due to the influx of angels.

A spell often ignored but invaluable is Divine Favor. No, it's not the 3 hp it brings but the huge boost to defense for a cheap cost. On an early turn 3 sacred wolf, it makes up for the 1 toughness deficiency. For a kor, it auto turns it into a 3/7.

Learn not to enchant the mesa and you'll be surprised how it gets ignored while it's cranking out draw after draw.

Turn off simplified targeting. One very simple protection is to put pariah on an opposing creature, make sure it's one directly across from you, and then putting indestructibility on it. also,if vs illusions that are unprotected, your low mana enchants like Divine Favor become doom blades.

Give it a shot.

Edit: One important thing. You'll get called a lot of names at times so have a thick skin. When they do call you names, do me a favor and stretch the match out until they rage quit. I've been called every name in the book and then some.

ANd get used to them chalking up your victories as "luck".

Alright captain arbitrator. This is not an argument about whether it is okay/legal to play more than 60 cards in a deck. It's clear to everyone that you're allowed to make your deck as bad as you want. The point was shadowcran was preaching completely wrong things as facts. Not only is this hurting himself, but will directly hurt any new player he goes about trying to "help".

Well, the internet ate my big post so sadly, I only have the tl;dr version:
Discussion will devolve into bad so why have it (again)?

And 70 card decks in Duels of the PLaneswalkers is an inconsequential concept in the grand scheme.

New Duels players are playing a $10-20 game with random people on the internet for no gain whatsoever, physical or virtual.
As for new Magic Players, Duels already hurts them enough as it is. 70 card decks isn't the hardest lesson they have ahead of them...

I don't know exactly what your post board deck looked like, but we'll continue arguing the 65 cards deck for lack of better example. So we already know that this is equivalent to cutting one of your 12 ramp spells. Did you add lands to it or did you just add 5 threats as you seem to imply? In the latter case, this is equivalent to cutting two lands. In the former case, you added 2 lands and 3 threats to keep the same ratio. So either way, assuming we end with a 60 cards deck, we can start with a very obvious first round of cut to go down to 62: 2 lands and 1 ramp. How many tutors were you playing? Playing with 65 cards is probably the equivalent of cutting 1, more or less, so might as well just cut 1! Now, did you really need to add all those additional threats or could you just play more intelligently? Did you really get to a point in the game where you were like "crap, there is no threats left in my deck!"? If the actual situation was more "I can't seem to draw into my remaining threats"!, then again, 65 cards is the equivalent of cutting 1 of those threats (if not more), so might as well cut one threat and go down to 60.

There you go, a 60 cards deck that is equivalent in lands, threats, tutors and ramp to your 65 cards deck, except you are more likely to draw into the other support cards that may be left in your deck post board (tangle, all is dust, whatever.) and into your better tutors and threats.

As I said, you're allowed to stop reading and replying to this thread. If this is not a discussion you are interested in having, why are you here? Just because you're tired of arguing this doesn't mean you should go around and try to shut down every discussion on this subject.

Is anything consequential in the "grand scheme"?

See, the only reason why I check this corner of the forums is because I was told DotP could actually be more than just noobs bashing at each other with 90 cards decks. You're doing a disservice to the DotP community's credibility by saying things like this. Just because there is no gain, physical or virtual doesn't mean you shouldn't try to win. Just because DotP has flaws doesn't mean it can't be used as a teaching tool. Learning to cut your deck down to 60 cards should be one of the first concept of deck construction any new player learns. It's an important rule that should not be marginalized.

Now the real question is; which one of us is more deserving of ridicule for it?

Alright captain arbitrator. This is not an argument about whether it is okay/legal to play more than 60 cards in a deck. It's clear to everyone that you're allowed to make your deck as bad as you want. The point was shadowcran was preaching completely wrong things as facts. Not only is this hurting himself, but will directly hurt any new player he goes about trying to "help".

I will say this for DotP as a training aid for IRL Magic:

Playing Duels regularly may not make you a better Constructed player, but I believe wholeheartedly that it will make you a better Limited player. Let me invite the band out to start tooting horns, but I'd say in the last 15 Limited Events I've played in (Draft/Sealed/Pre-Release Sealed) I've failed to top 4 twice (not top 8, top 4).

In Duels land, you become so accustomed to playing with and building decks with such nonsense cards that I believe it translates exceptionally well to the land of IRL Limited. There have been times where I've gone months between playing IRL (usually from one pre-release to the next) and Duels has kept me sharp...enough to flourish. (now, my success between hiatuses isn't ALL Duels as I usually read up on what's going on IRL even if I'm not actually playing...but Duels certainly doesn't hurt)

I think Duels helps more than hurts new Magic players...sure, once they make the jump, there are some creases to be ironed out...but Duels does a commendable job of bringing a new person up to speed, comfortably and at their own pace...while still remaining fun for "veterans". Now if only the wardens of this great product weren't such...you know what I'm going to say...

I will say this for DotP as a training aid for IRL Magic:

Playing Duels regularly may not make you a better Constructed player, but I believe wholeheartedly that it will make you a better Limited player. Let me invite the band out to start tooting horns, but I'd say in the last 15 Limited Events I've played in (Draft/Sealed/Pre-Release Sealed) I've failed to top 4 twice (not top 8, top 4).

In Duels land, you become so accustomed to playing with and building decks with such nonsense cards that I believe it translates exceptionally well to the land of IRL Limited. There have been times where I've gone months between playing IRL (usually from one pre-release to the next) and Duels has kept me sharp...enough to flourish. (now, my success between hiatuses isn't ALL Duels as I usually read up on what's going on IRL even if I'm not actually playing...but Duels certainly doesn't hurt)

I think Duels helps more than hurts new Magic players...sure, once they make the jump, there are some creases to be ironed out...but Duels does a commendable job of bringing a new person up to speed, comfortably and at their own pace...while still remaining fun for "veterans". Now if only the wardens of this great product weren't such...you know what I'm going to say...

There is one minor thing that Duels teaches new players incorrectly, which is taking mulligans.

I've also seen in comments in a Magic video wherein a viewer declared another viewer's analysis invalid citing "you can't save mana, you have to cast a spell immediately after you tap the lands for it".
As in, didn't know the mana pool was a thing. That's a DotP staple right there.

Actually in watching Spellslingers, you can fairly easily pick out the people that only play Duels because of comments like that.