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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 12:18 pm 
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Hahaha That deck from That block yay!!!

Awesome rules. It's going to be interesting. We pretty much know the round 1,2 meta now. Let's crack it.

p.s. right... That block doesn't have dual lands. Good luck.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 12:45 pm 
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are encouraged to explore other decks like Werewolves for example. .

more like exploring vehicles :D
Kaladesh/Aether Revolt only option for first 2 rounds


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 12:57 pm 
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Hahaha That deck from That block yay!!!

Awesome rules. It's going to be interesting. We pretty much know the round 1,2 meta now. Let's crack it.

p.s. right... That block doesn't have dual lands. Good luck.


Not sure if lands are restricted as well. But even if they are don't really need them - just stay in 2 colors. Also the other blocks will have their own land restrictions so it balances out.

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are encouraged to explore other decks like Werewolves for example. .

more like exploring vehicles :D
Kaladesh/Aether Revolt only option for first 2 rounds


Werewolves ? ahahahahhhahah
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:23 pm 
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Well, I ended up liking every new change that has been made.

I really like the initial block format. It may easily fall onto powercreep and mirrors, but it's always good to see different players' aptitudes.

Sideboard at this point is a must have. Can't deny I was dumbfounded by seeing some decks going so far onto the tournaments. Having answers at hand can lessen RNG in favor for skil and adaptability.
Overall, with the current card pool, sideboards can provide added value to the event.


The only point I'd like to make is that the Event should become a bit more inclusive and interactive towards new players and the community in general.
Views and attendance may still be low, but I believe that by properly keeping the community updated with the participants and the event itself, we could generate interest.


As an example, the previous Showdown's frontpage has missed to share all the pairings and results from the Top 8 upwards.
A new user can keep updated only by scouring through the pages, but it's a normal tournament duty to provide a clear and direct understanding about what's going on.


I'd personally like for a proper calendar to be made, and to be shared; participants willing to stream, to post their live ETA and links onto the communities; and maybe have their little Tournament subforum here in NGA, with a personal thread for each one, so they can interact with the community, strategize and show their progress.

Having only one massive thread and few updates won't generate the mass of interest that this tournament could provide.
Instead, spreading the stage onto the actual cogs would highlight each participant's identity; easy interactions with the community can go a long way towards breaking the niche wall.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:31 pm 
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Sounds interesting having blocks first, though it's odd for it to only be part of swiss since most tournaments I have seen that swap between deck type rules do so between prelims and top X but I guess without hundreds of players its best to do it in the middle of swiss.
Though limiting to any block you want could mean a limited amount of decks and could easily mean everyone runs vehicles and its unclear if that includes lands.
Well I guess it's best to test something like this first and see how it goes then we know from mistakes for next time.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:08 pm 
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I'm not real big on change, so I'm not excited for this. But I'm still gonna play and I'll get used to it. Guess I'll be dusting off my Kaladesh tourney deck.

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Block should be cool. Pretty much looking at Kaldesh block for this. :)


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Sounds interesting having blocks first, though it's odd for it to only be part of swiss since most tournaments I have seen that swap between deck type rules do so between prelims and top X but I guess without hundreds of players its best to do it in the middle of swiss.
Though limiting to any block you want could mean a limited amount of decks and could easily mean everyone runs vehicles and its unclear if that includes lands.
Well I guess it's best to test something like this first and see how it goes then we know from mistakes for next time.


I think it is pretty clear, but to allay confusion, I will clarify...

From the Tournament Rules section;

Any cards from Origins and “D” cards are available for use in addition to whatever block you choose to make your deck from...

So, based off of that, if you wanted to make a deck from Shadows Over Innistrad/Eldritch Moon block, you can build those decks from SOI, EMN, Origins, and the "D" cards (which can be found with Origin cards IIRC). And that's it.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:31 pm 
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i'm sure the block idea came from Gemini.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:34 pm 
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I think it's unclear not because of your instructions , it's unclear because of the ridiculousness of it :P .
Like :
Person A : " I like having sex with animals "
Person B : " wait , what ? By animals you mean just humans right ? "
Person A : " No, I thought I was clear ..... animals."
Person B : " Right , umm okay - sure."
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 3:13 pm 
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I'm cool with the changes. Block will just like the deckbuilder's contest... Hehehe, but we run our own decks. I just hope it doesn't end up 90% kaladesh/Aether revolt.

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Light wrote:
I think it's unclear not because of your instructions , it's unclear because of the ridiculousness of it :P .
Like :
Person A : " I like having sex with animals "
Person B : " wait , what ? By animals you mean just humans right ? "
Person A : " No, I thought I was clear ..... animals."
Person B : " Right , umm okay - sure."
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Hey, what you do on your spare time is your business, person A. #nojudgementzone

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 3:36 pm 
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Oh right, yeah, I read a comment and got confused about lands and actually somehow didn't think about Origins.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:20 pm 
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I haven't unlocked the full card pool, so I was already leaning towards skipping this tournament. The block restriction for the first two games just made me more sure of my decision since the only set I've got fully unlocked is Kaladesh, and I have no cards from Aether Revolt. I don't really feel up to trying to build something from the cards I have. Oh well, maybe next tournament :).


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are encouraged to explore other decks like Werewolves for example. .

more like exploring vehicles :D
Kaladesh/Aether Revolt only option for first 2 rounds

You'll also get some RG Energy Aggro.

But yeah...

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This would be a good idea if sets were balanced. As they are, it will be a vehicle/gruul energy fest.

What does Mardu vehicles lose? Thalia and that seems to be it. Maybe Anguished, but that card wasn't a staple..

What does a counter-aggro deck lose? Lots of stuff, depending on the chosen block. I'm not even sure you can counter vehicles or gruul energy convincingly. These decks will be weak.

So the block constructed rounds will be a joke.

I think the only way to save them is to ban something. How about ban the Smugglers Copter, for example?


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On the Xbox thread someone suggested Amonkhet be treated like Origins for Innistrad and Zendikar block. I'm inclined to agree, there's no real reason to play the latest set for the first round, even BFZ block looks pretty weak on the removal side of things.

Rather than banning particular cards I'd rather see something like that to boost the chances of other decks against Kaladesh block.


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block constructed is genius idea. it's deck builder's dream come true. Basically we are banning reflector mage, grasp of darkness, murder, unsubstantiate, etc. See how people getting upset playing vehicles deck in the last tournament? It means, counter-vehicles deck aren't that hard to build with full pool. Now we make it harder by banning some answers. If you can't figure out how to beat vehicles, just play it and prepare to annoy yourself lol

(I think I'm playing vehicles no matter what I say now. damn.)

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Exactly. Great variety. Vehicles and anti-vehicles. Yay


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Exactly. Great variety. Vehicles and anti-vehicles. Yay


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