Honest question - is there any other way to trigger T2 revolt in Duels without tapping any lands, outside of playing a T1 weeny and hoping it dies to a block (also outside of the Superior fixer)?

Buffed Greenwheel Liberator T2 in a beat down deck sounds like good times.

Running a do nothing artifact to try and trigger a perfect turn 2 is junk deckbuilding

Also, doesn't Unbridled Growth do that same thing, but is actually useful?

After having to actually discuss Elemental Uprising in this exact same forum, nothing surprises me anymore.

Where's DJ, shots fired!!

I agree with you both, obviously.

I'm right here rabid bite, sup?

Shall we expose the evil of elemental uprising together?

Most exited for Mechanized Production. That card is broken.... Slap that on an Alchemist's Vial? Yeah I'll take a free card every turn. Armies of Smuggler's Copter.... Aethersphere Havester.... Clue tokens..... Thopters..... Servo's..... This card is nuts.

Inb4 loads of people complain that it caused opponent to win the game even though it wasn't the artifact that was enchanted by it reaching 8 copies (e.g. 8 thopters) only to be shot down and told that is the way it is supposed to work.

I think you should change your handle to BeachJustice

To your follow up post After quoted one, I already mentioned the Superior fixer in my question.

It's not a do nothing card tho; it fetches a land, and you can drop it T1 with any color untapped land in starting hand. I agree with the sentiment that it's a suboptimal fixer, and is largely a bad card - but I do suspect it might have a niche place in some deck or other.

EDIT: I do think triggering Revolt will be a tad more difficult than some may believe, so cards that do it on demand without mana investment the turn you want to trigger it will see more play than they would otherwise.

I'm def excited to use it, but rarity restrictions are going to keep it from being nutz. I figure artifact hate will be even more part of many decks removal package with this set, so getting a ton of profit from it will be difficult I suspect.

Pilgrim's Eye is a pretty bad land fixer... It just happens to be okay when combined with Emerge cards and in some Thopter decks.

The map is a pretty bad card too, but it triggers revolt and counts as an artifact for your artifacts-matter cards. It's okay with Fatal Push in U/B Artifacts and if blue had good revolt cards it would see some play.

As is? Maybe, but I'm not so sure. Revolt is for G/W aggro for the most part and that deck wants nothing to do with this card.

I'd be more excited for it if it didn't have the alt wincon built in (not a huge fan of gimmick wincons). The fact that we can reliably tutor it T3 has me a bit apprehensive about how ubiquitous/annoying it will be.

I'm looking forward to tinkering with Renegade Rallier. I know its too niche to be all-around goodstuff, but in the right deck, I think it's gonna be a little powerhouse.

t1 Implement of something t2 Atog (I meant, Ravenous...)

In fact, there's a deck: 12 x 1 CC Implements, 3 Inspectors of th Foundry, 3 Ravenous, 3 Salvagers, 1-2 Marionette Master, 4 Fireweavers, 2 Pias Revolution...maybe some Vials, a couple Trawlers, Copters and/or Traffickers, or a touch of removal... and that's it

The new Atog doesn't trigger T2 revolt though because it is a T2 play itself.

Yeah, I was specifically trying to think of something that allows you to trigger revolt T2 WITHOUT tapping any mana, so you could cast Liberator or Endless Gears on curve for profit.

You mean so your opponent can tap a and say, "This...is...KALADESH!!!" and ruin your day.

Using a bad card to enable a maybe big play doesn't make the card good at all...which is what this thread was about; Good cards in Aether Revolt. Renegade Map doesn't fit that moniker in any way.

Anyone reckon Bastion Inventor is a possible sleeper? As a common but with Improvise a 4/4 Hexproof reliably turn 3 possibly with some evasion could be a thing maybe....

Is Heart of Kiran a bad card in duels ? I'm serious btw. Copter spoiled me. Sure plenty 3 drops power it up, but it's way easier for your opponent to 'turn off' than copter. No card selection either.

In the slightly less controversial range, I've been trying to think about U/B artifacts, and Battle at the Bridge seems like one of the sleeper cards that might make it viable if the rest of the cards can be assembled.

I also think Rogue Refiner is a good card, but the deck for it may not be truly there ?

I don't think Heart is bad, but it will be included in way more decks than it should. It's a card for PW.dec, not for your average aggro list.