It's known as not losing to some snot-nosed toe rag with his poxy uncommon enchantment T3. At least my dreams don't die when I see Memory in the yard unlike both of my Unmakings

Cast Out doe.

I want my cards back.

Mill insurance???



Tutelage decks really stay outchea rustling jimmies since 2015 though.

Doesn't he just mill you 14 cards when you cast it, or more though? Both players draw 7... or did I miss something on the card I totally ignored.

How in the world is Commit card disadvantage? You put something into the opponent's library - I'd count that being even on cards.

And yes, I think the card's really good. Not quite Memory Lapse, but doubles down as a bounce spell without card disadvantage - I'm in.

I was referring to including a card just because of its ability to beat tutelage... don't read to much into it. It's just banter with BBB.

Oh, call me out that's fine but you make a mistake and you go all Sean Spicer on me eh?

I used to believe in you.

Commit is basically a slightly more flexible Unsubstantiate that costs 4 instead of 2. I don't love it. Burying a PW that has a ton of counters on it will be fun though, I admit, but I think we have better options.

Memory is super meh.

When Vert sees something he disagrees with:

I agree Memory is super situational; can help you come back in a control mirror (and enables Kefnet if you even run him), it's not great otherwise.

I don't think we have better options for Commit; that is the flexible counterspell everyone hoped Insidious Will would be.

The funny thing is, I think Commit is better suited to an Aggro control deck than a Control deck... this is a bit OT for the god thread, and the card came up because its bad (not good) against tutelage, but still... the deck that wants this card, wants it so that it can put the creature, spell, PW'er, etc... that would stop it from winning, too far away for the opponent to get it back into play in time, imo. Control decks, playing the long game, don't need effects like this - however, Commit itself is not card disadvantage, as it does create parity, by reducing your opponent's hand by 1, when it forces them to draw the card again. It's at its absolute best when you use it on a synergistic do nothing card, like Valor (for instance), or a creature/blocker.

Speaking of tutelage decks... tutelage runs Commit // Memory, the opponent doesn't. It will net at least 21 cards (including those in hand) off the top of the non-tutelage player's deck. Put this in a deck with fevered visions, imo, and tutelage... enjoy. It enables 2 of your win cons, so if you get it early enough, you can fix a bad start pretty easily. The reset is a secondary option, but it could fix a rough situation, IMO. Furthermore, you could also run the GY exile card (as questionable as it is), to thin out the opponent's GY prior to casting memory, which under that circumstance could possibly win the game right then. Finally, commit is an excellent card in a deck that wins the way tutelage decks do... It's a stalling card so it puts your opponent's clock back a few turns, which is probably all the tutelage player needs in order to win the game. (Maybe mix in some green for fogs, but I'd prefer the direct route, dealing damage and milling at the same time.)

All of that said, I think most decks will find the card to be unsuitable. Commit is a card you'd use to win by attrition, or to stay ahead on tempo (it also literally reduces your opponent's draw by 1), Memory reverses all of that by tapping you out, and giving your opponent a completely new hand. The second effect is probably disastrous against most decks. Do you really want burn (for instance) to get to untap with a full hand of spells?

Exiling the gy before casting memory is duuuuurtay.

Everyone is so excited about the memory side but I am not so excited at all. 6 cmc at sorcery speed to time reversal, I just dunno if letting your opponent have 7 cards and saying "come at me bro" while you are tapped out late game is a good idea.

After a week of playing with the new cards, I think I was pretty spot-on with my order. I never saw a single Oketra online, and never wanted to add her to any deck. Bontu at least I saw being cast twice, even if I countered it both times. Hazoret may also give Rhonas a run for his money, but snake God is still the best, even if it's close.

Thoughts?

I only really like Rhonas so far. Hazoret is ok.

Kefnet is ok, 3rd is probably about right. I get cheesed by Hazoret far less than everyone made her out to, Rhonas is predictably the top God. I think I cast a Dec in Stone on an Oketra once, but I haven't seen one since.

1. Rhonas
2. Bontu
3. Kefnet
4. Hazoret
5. Oketra

this is my order, I would place kefnet higher, but i have only really made him fit into my turbo fog lists.
Haven't tried to build control yet again.

Still missing the bottom 2, but overall facing them they haven't been a threat.
Rhonas is a house, and even better with other gods in play.

In order of times I've seen them on the ladder (of course not necessarily how many decks they've been in, being 1-ofs that don't get drawn every game): Bontu-->Oketra--->Rhonas--->Kefnet-->Hazoret

Token decks seem to be very popular on xbone, as are zombie decks (which could maybe count as token deck too). I'm suspecting Hazoret has been in more decks than I've seen him played (0 times), but the types of decks most likely to play him tend to not go very deep into libraries.


In terms of how often I've put them in builds: Rhonas-->Bontu-->Hazoret-->Oketra-->Kefnet

Every deck I've built with Green in it has had Rhonas. Also done several crats/zombies/-/-counters decks with Bontu. Hazorets gone in a couple red based aggro decks. Oketra's gone in one token build. Haven't done a single build with that would be a home for Kefnet yet.


In terms of how nervous they've made me when I've had opp drop them on me: Kefnet-->Rhonas-->Bontu-->Oketra-->Hazoret

Hazoret has to be last because nobody's cast him on me yet. Bontu and Rhonas have been close, having faced Bontu more times makes me want to rank him ahead but Rhonas is Scary. Kefnet has been the most threatening in the 2 games I've had it played on me. Other gods I can chump to buy time but when playing a flying light deck vs Kefnet - that's a short clock. Oketra's been harder to gauge - decks I've seen her in have been very hit or miss and she's either been win-more or irrelevant.

I wouldn't rank them based on how frequently they are seen, but rather how frequently they beat you.

Heh, in that case I'd be Kefnet-->none.

Kefnet pwned me in one game, but I was able to exile her the other time she was cast on me. I lost to someone who played Oketra on me, but I was already out of that game when she dropped. Haven't lost to any others. Bontu got me pretty close to dead once tho.

That's why I didn't rank them that way. I went more with how often I've been seeing them and I've been using them, with a 'scary' ranking at the end.