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 Post subject: Re: Amonkhet Speculation
PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 8:35 pm 
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Of course, Damnation would be nice to see in HOD where it'd make thematic sense, but I doubt we'll see it reprinted in standard like Fel said. Not that it affects either choo-choo.dec or Saheeli.dec in any meaningful way. Hero's Downfall would be thematic for character death too. Anger of the Gods could work, and would be a sweeper to cripple Vehicles (suck it Scrounger!)

MaRo has given a maybe on a Damnation reprint. Let us hope that it doesn't happen in a supplemental product.

http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/15 ... on-reprint

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 9:40 pm 
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Psychatog wrote:
Of course, Damnation would be nice to see in HOD where it'd make thematic sense, but I doubt we'll see it reprinted in standard like Fel said. Not that it affects either choo-choo.dec or Saheeli.dec in any meaningful way. Hero's Downfall would be thematic for character death too. Anger of the Gods could work, and would be a sweeper to cripple Vehicles (suck it Scrounger!)

MaRo has given a maybe on a Damnation reprint. Let us hope that it doesn't happen in a supplemental product.

http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/15 ... on-reprint

That's nothing though really? Like everyone just asks for his "Maybe :)" on loads of things and he gives it.

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 Post subject: Re: Amonkhet Speculation
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Guys, stop fooling yourselves. Damnation is NOT coming back in a Standard legal Set. There are loads and loads of reasons for that, and the power of the card is not even close to the biggest of them.

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Damnnation but it's :b::b::b::b::b:. call it Bolas's Judgment


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 Post subject: Re: Amonkhet Speculation
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felbatista wrote:
Guys, stop fooling yourselves. Damnation is NOT coming back in a Standard legal Set. There are loads and loads of reasons for that, and the power of the card is not even close to the biggest of them.


I'm curious, what are the reasons if not power level? Because if you say finance...

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felbatista wrote:
Guys, stop fooling yourselves. Damnation is NOT coming back in a Standard legal Set. There are loads and loads of reasons for that, and the power of the card is not even close to the biggest of them.


I'm curious, what are the reasons if not power level? Because if you say finance...

it's because it's in the wrong slice of the color pie


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felbatista wrote:
Guys, stop fooling yourselves. Damnation is NOT coming back in a Standard legal Set. There are loads and loads of reasons for that, and the power of the card is not even close to the biggest of them.


I'm curious, what are the reasons if not power level? Because if you say finance...

it's because it's in the wrong slice of the color pie


I can fix that: Bring back Wrath of God with updated text then. Totally in the right color.


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 Post subject: Re: Amonkhet Speculation
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With Vehicles and PWs in abundance I would prefer a 6CMC "Destroy all Non-Land permanents". We have enough sweepers for creatures. Or a 5 CMC "Choose 1 of" Destroy all artifacts, creatures, enchantments or planeswalkers.

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 Post subject: Re: Amonkhet Speculation
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With Vehicles and PWs in abundance I would prefer a 6CMC "Destroy all Non-Land permanents". We have enough sweepers for creatures. Or a 4 CMC "Choose 1 of" Destroy all artifacts, creatures, enchantments or planeswalkers.


Planar Cleansing? I'd love to see a version that had the same effect, something for 5cmc. Hell, maybe even make it .

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With Vehicles and PWs in abundance I would prefer a 6CMC "Destroy all Non-Land permanents". We have enough sweepers for creatures. Or a 4 CMC "Choose 1 of" Destroy all artifacts, creatures, enchantments or planeswalkers.


Planar Cleansing? I'd love to see a version that had the same effect, something for 5cmc. Hell, maybe even make it .

Yeah I don't think you can have a PC for 5CMC but something selective could be nice that you have to make a choice with. Then it will be useful all of the time but not a complete restart. It could be really hurt artifact creature decks as it would be a 1 sided boardwipe. Something like Obliterate could also be hilarious.

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 Post subject: Re: Amonkhet Speculation
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clearly what needs a reprint is terminus

or supreme verdict


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 Post subject: Re: Amonkhet Speculation
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clearly what needs a reprint is terminus


Doesn't help vs PWs or other permanents, that's what I think Shock's getting at.

Merciless Eviction?

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 Post subject: Re: Amonkhet Speculation
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I'd be looking for exile effects while Spirit and Scrounger are in vehicle decks. How about; instant :1::w::w::b: choose up to 2 non-land permanents. Exile them. Your opponent gains 2 life for each card exiled this way.

Seems a little under-costed when Anguished Unmaking is a thing. Make it 5CMC?

I basically just want exile that isn't limited to creatures.

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 Post subject: Re: Amonkhet Speculation
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Psychatog wrote:
Of course, Damnation would be nice to see in HOD where it'd make thematic sense, but I doubt we'll see it reprinted in standard like Fel said. Not that it affects either choo-choo.dec or Saheeli.dec in any meaningful way. Hero's Downfall would be thematic for character death too. Anger of the Gods could work, and would be a sweeper to cripple Vehicles (suck it Scrounger!)

MaRo has given a maybe on a Damnation reprint. Let us hope that it doesn't happen in a supplemental product.

http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/15 ... on-reprint

That's nothing though really? Like everyone just asks for his "Maybe :)" on loads of things and he gives it.

He would not give a maybe when I asked about reprinting Psychatog in standard:
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/15 ... rint-of-my

felbatista wrote:
Guys, stop fooling yourselves. Damnation is NOT coming back in a Standard legal Set. There are loads and loads of reasons for that, and the power of the card is not even close to the biggest of them.


I'm curious, what are the reasons if not power level? Because if you say finance...

it's because it's in the wrong slice of the color pie

http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/15 ... th-effects

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 Post subject: Re: Amonkhet Speculation
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Thanks for the find Psychotog, found it bizarre that someone thought a color including Damnation, In Garruk's Wake and Deadly Tempest was color breaking with "Destroy All Creatures" effects. Destroying all of anything else (except maybe PWs) sure, I'd say that's a White ability.

@Fel: What's the Damnation reprint issue then? If MaRo says it's within color boundaries, it's power level in current standard wouldn't be overbearing, and WotC have demonstrated they'll reprint cards finances be damned, what's the problem?

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 Post subject: Re: Amonkhet Speculation
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Doesn't help vs PWs or other permanents, that's what I think Shock's getting at.

Merciless Eviction?


Wow, I didn't even know that card existed nice find :teach:

I feel would be right for a reprint of that. Although with the Exile maybe 6 is fine too. The art on that card is badass!

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**** it, vindicate


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I think the biggest problem Damnation has is that it has that regeneration clause. They don't want regeneration back and reprinting it in a set without it would be confusing.

Also Psychatog, I dunno, you didn't ask for the full "Maybe. :)" plus the "Maybe. :)" answer seems kinda like meaningless non-answer. I suppose it puts Damnation on the table but there's the problems above to worry about still, like it's kind of a "maybe but not really" situation.
Most of the things he can't say yes or no to which I think is how this repetitive maybe answer started with people asking for it kind of in a non-serious manner, which is why it's really a non-answer.

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 Post subject: Re: Amonkhet Speculation
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I think the biggest problem Damnation has is that it has that regeneration clause. They don't want regeneration back and reprinting it in a set without it would be confusing.

Also Psychatog, I dunno, you didn't ask for the full "Maybe. :)" plus the "Maybe. :)" answer seems kinda like meaningless non-answer. I suppose it puts Damnation on the table but there's the problems above to worry about still, like it's kind of a "maybe but not really" situation.

it's not about damnation itself, people just want any cheap wrath effect again, even though wraths are 5 mana now not 4


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If we got vindicate, I don't think I could ever stop playing BW. I want some big dumb midrange creatures with cool abilities!


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