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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:22 am 
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divinevert wrote:
This meta is all about "What is stronger: Vehicle decks or a bunch of decks specifically designed to defeat Vehicle decks?"

We shall see.


I said basically the same thing the other night in a party with Gem and.. Unbeatable or Holy.. don't remember which one it was. They basically laughed me out of the party insinuating that Mardu vehicles is indomitable, and that they're so uber skilled MLG Duels pros. Gem asked what deck I would be playing and my response was something like, "Whatever counter decks vehicles. The plan would be to crush the vehicle matchups, and have solid game vs everything else, make top eight.. which will be flooded with vehicles, and crush them again."

I would've thought/brought Naya mid-range.. Rec Sages, red instants, Blessed Alliance.. solid creatures/walkers to back it all up. Other than Aethersphere Harvester and Heart of Kiran, the entire deck dies to three damage burn spells. Having Blossoming Defense to snuff out their UDs would be game too.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:24 am 
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The problem I had was trying to think of deck that could handle vehicles but wouldn't make me want to pull out my hair when I play against control by Vert or whoever.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:26 am 
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The problem I had was trying to think of deck that could handle vehicles but wouldn't make me want to pull out my hair when I play against control by Vert or whoever.


The thing is.. you can lose those matchups vs control.. because control is going to be the minority.. and WON'T be there in the top 8 while Vehicles will.. because all the vehicle tryhards will ensure that control gets a proper face smashing and goes 2-3.

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You're right. I think when I plan on how I should handle control, it's not because I think it'll keep me from top eight, it's more to protect my mental health.


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Vehicles - # of decks running them / total # of copies

Aethersphere Harvester - 10 / 19
Smuggler's Copter - 9 / 18
Skysoveriegn, Consul Flagship - 8 / 8
Heart of Kiran - 7 / 7
Cultivator's Caravan - 2 / 4
Fleetwheel Cruiser - 2 / 4
Consulate Dreadnought - 2 / 4
Bomat Bazaar Barge - 1 / 3
Mobile Garrison - 1 / 2
Peacewalker Colossus - 1 / 1
Unteathered Express - 1 / 1


Decks w/ 1 Vehicle - 2

Decks w/ 2 Vehicles - 1

Decks w/ 3 Vehicles - 2

Decks w/ 4 Vehicles - 2

Decks w/ 5 Vehicles - 1

Decks w/ 6+ Vehicles - 6

Vehicle-less Decks - 9

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They basically laughed me out of the party...


lol, yeah that sounds familiar. Those are the worst parties to join.

walking into one of those parties feels just like 1:40 here...





...yeah ok guys on second thought i think i gotta go...


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They basically laughed me out of the party...


lol, yeah that sounds familiar. Those are the worst parties to join.

walking into one of those parties feels just like 1:40 here...





...yeah ok guys on second thought i think i gotta go...

Gem's twitch account is hilarity tho.

Gem: "You know what and Batman are submitting the same deck."
Unbeatable: "Oh yeah?"
Gem: "Yeah. It's pretty obvious they colluded together."

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Thank God Detective Gem is on the case, breaking these mysteries wide the **** open!

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Jace, Vyrn's Prodigy - 8
Chandra, Flamecaller - 8
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - 7
Gideon, Ally of Zendikar - 7
Liliana, the Last Hope - 5
Jace, Unraveler of Secrets - 5
Ob Nixilis Reignited - 4
Nissa, Vastwood Seer - 4
Sorin, Grim Nemesis - 3
Saheeli Rai - 3
Nahiri, the Harbinger - 2
Nissa, Vital Force - 2
Ajani Unyielding - 1
Tamiyo, Field Researcher - 1
Arlinn Kord - 1
Chandra, Fire of Kaladesh - 1

Decks running 1 Planeswalker - 3

Decks running 2 Planeswalkers - 3

Decks running 3 Planeswalkers - 5

Decks running 4 Planeswalkers - 5

Decks running 5 Planeswalkers - 1

Decks running 6+ Planeswalkers - 2

Planeswalker-less Decks - 4

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Who's you-know-what?

Gems whole posse is playing Mardu Vehicles but Gem and Batman are colluding!! I did take pleasure in Gem striking out Batmans name on the Showdown list, that was funny


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Sweepers - # of Decks / Total # of Copies
Kozilek's Return - 2 / 2

Radiant Flames - 4 / 8
Languish - 3 / 5
Yahenni's Expertise - 2 / 4
Planar Outburst - 2 / 3
Chandra's Ignition - 1 / 2

Chandra, Flamecaller - 8 / 8

Spot Removal - # of Decks / Total # of Copies
Unlicensed Disintegration - 10 / 28
Harnessed Lightning - 9 / 26
Galvanic Bombardment - 3 / 12
Fatal Push - 4 / 10
Fiery Temper - 2 / 7
Anguished Unmaking - 3 / 6
Fiery Impulse - 2 / 6
Dark Intimations - 2 / 4
Shock - 1 / 4
Grasp of Darkness - 1 / 3
Ride Down - 1 / 3
Lightning Axe - 1 / 2
Devour in Flames - 1 / 2
Murder - 1 / 2
Sparkmage's Gambit - 1 / 1
Fall of the Titans - 1 / 1

Declaration in Stone - 4 / 8
Collective Defiance - 3 / 6
Exquisite Firecraft - 1 / 2
Collective Effort - 1 / 2
Devils Playground (death trigger) - 1 / 1

Imprisoned in the Moon - 2 / 4
Oath of Liliana- 2 / 4
Thopter Arrest - 1 / 2
Suppression Bonds - 1 / 2
Molten Vortex - 1 / 1

Chandra, Torch of Defiance - 7 / 7
Liliana, the Last Hope- 5 / 5
Ob Nixilis Reignited - 4 / 4
Sorin, Grim Nemesis - 3 / 3
Nahiri, the Harbinger - 2 / 2
Ajani Unyielding - 1 / 1
Arlinn Kord - 1 / 1
Chandra, Fire of Kaladesh - 1 / 1

Skysovereign, Consul Flagship (ETB / attack trigger) - 8 / 8

Pia and Kiran Nalaar (activated ability) - 8 / 13
Herald of Anguish (activated ability) - 3 / 3
Noxious Gearhulk (ETB) - 3 / 3
Walking Ballista (activated ability) - 1 / 2
Gifted Aetherborn (deathtouch) - 1 / 3
Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim (deathtouch / activated ability) - 1 / 1
Impetuous Devils (force block) - 1 / 1
Omnath, Locus of Rage (death trigger) - 1 / 1

Blighted Gorge (activated ability) - 2 / 3
Hissing Quagmire (deathtouch) - 1 / 2

Counterspells - # of Decks / Total # of Copies
Spell Shrivel - 2 / 8
Metallic Rebuke - 2 / 5
Scatter to the Winds - 2 / 4
Insidious Will - 2 / 4
Confirm Suspicions - 1 / 1

Disciple of the Ring (activated ability) - 2 / 2
Spell Queller (ETB) - 1 / 2

Artifact / Enchantment Hate - # of Decks / Total # of Copies
Anguished Unmaking (A&E) - 3 / 6
Fragmentize (A&E) - 1 / 2

Collective Effort (E) - 1 / 2

Thopter Arrest (A) - 1 / 2
Suppression Bonds (A&E-conditional) - 1 / 2

Reclamation Sage (A&E) - 2 / 3

Nahiri, the Harbinger (A&E) - 2 / 2

Hand Hate - # of Decks / Total # of Copies
Herald of Anguish (EOT) - 3 / 3
Distended Mindbender (ETB) - 1 / 2

Planeswalker Hate - # of Decks / Total # of Copies
Unlicensed Disintegration - 10 / 28
Fiery Temper - 2 / 7
Anguished Unmaking - 3 / 6
Dark Intimations - 2 / 4
Shock - 1 / 4
Devour in Flames - 1 / 2
Fall of the Titans - 1 / 1

Collective Defiance - 3 / 6
Exquisite Firecraft - 1 / 2
Chandra's Ignition - 1 / 2
Devils Playground (death trigger) - 1 / 1

Imprisoned in the Moon - 2 / 4
Suppression Bonds - 1 / 2
Molten Vortex - 1 / 1

Chandra, Torch of Defiance - 7 / 7
Sorin, Grim Nemesis - 3 / 3
Arlinn Kord - 1 / 1
Chandra, Fire of Kaladesh - 1 / 1

Pia and Kiran Nalaar (activated ability) - 8 / 13
Walking Ballista (activated ability) - 1 / 2
Omnath, Locus of Rage (death trigger) - 1 / 1

Blighted Gorge (activated ability) - 2 / 3

Skysovereign, Consul Flagship (ETB / attack trigger) - 8 / 8

Decks with 5 Removal/Counterspell/Hand-Artifact-Enchantment Hate - 2 (xxUNBEATABLExx, smoothjulz)

Decks with 6 Removal/Counterspell/Hand-Artifact-Enchantment Hate - 2 (Mackey79, Holy Sacrebleu)

Decks with 7 Removal/Counterspell/Hand-Artifact-Enchantment Hate - 1 (Wreckedem420)

Decks with 8 Removal/Counterspell/Hand-Artifact-Enchantment Hate - 1 (Black Barney)

Decks with 9 Removal/Counterspell/Hand-Artifact-Enchantment Hate - 4 (The Secret of TIMH, tHaTsSoBlAzIn, DCG-MTG, F1int Beastw00d)

Decks with 10 Removal/Counterspell/Hand-Artifact-Enchantment Hate - 2 (Ninja4Hanzo, CovertGo Blue)

Decks with 11 Removal/Counterspell/Hand-Artifact-Enchantment Hate - 1 (InFaMoUsGeMiNi)

Decks with 15 Removal/Counterspell/Hand-Artifact-Enchantment Hate - 2 (MixBrutalNoompsy, Reshfuu)

Decks with 17 Removal/Counterspell/Hand-Artifact-Enchantment Hate - 1 (divinevert)

Decks with 18 Removal/Counterspell/Hand-Artifact-Enchantment Hate - 1 (Sl33pHumper)

Decks with 19 Removal/Counterspell/Hand-Artifact-Enchantment Hate - 1 (bassmill)

Decks with 20 Removal/Counterspell/Hand-Artifact-Enchantment Hate - 1 (mobius chickenstrips)

Decks with 22 Removal/Counterspell/Hand-Artifact-Enchantment Hate - 2 (Flayer, Mrniceguyyy248)

Decks with 24 Removal/Counterspell/Hand-Artifact-Enchantment Hate - 1 (Doey)

Removal-Less Decks - 1 (YankSpanker)

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Surprised to see so few rec sages. Even thought there might be a bit more fragmentizes, but that appears to be a natural result of control decks excluding white by and large.

Not surprisingly, Unlicensed Disintegration and Harnessed Lightning were the spot removals of choice by a mile, with P&K earning the top creature w/ removal ability spot. Radiant Flames takes the top sweeper spot, tied w/ Chandra, Flamecaller in total copies (Flamecaller represented in 2x the decks)

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Meh, I think the people trying to answer vehicles should be running fatal push AND rec sage. :P


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DJ0045 wrote:
Meh, I think the people trying to answer vehicles should be running fatal push AND rec sage. :P


No Golgari decks at all, only one Abzan. Looks like most people went the Harnessed Lightning/Unlicensed Disintegration route for answering vehicles.

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Black - 12
White - 12
Blue - 11
Green - 6 (OH HOW THE MIGHTY HAVE FALLEN)

Color Combos - # of Decks
Mardu - 5
Grixis - 4
Boros - 3
Izzet - 3
Temur - 2
Bant - 1
Abzan - 1
Orzhov - 1
Gruul - 1
Mono Red - 1
Conflux - 1

Color Quantities - # of Decks
Tri Colored - 13
Dual Colored - 8
Mono Colored - 1
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