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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 4:16 pm 
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Just a thought, since we saw card swaps to Elves/Myr based on how much they dominated new players. I'm curious as to how starting players are coping with Vehicle decks? Seems more oppressive than a 1/3 with Reach ever did :p


What removal is in the starter box for them?

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zzmorg82 wrote:
Just a thought, since we saw card swaps to Elves/Myr based on how much they dominated new players. I'm curious as to how starting players are coping with Vehicle decks? Seems more oppressive than a 1/3 with Reach ever did :p


What removal is in the starter box for them?


Not much. They get a 5cc instant speed black removal spell, Reprisal and Solemn Offering in white, rec sage in green, and a couple small damage sources in red that could pick off none of the most commonly played vehicles. (Edit: got ninjad with some other options I overlooked, but none that are good, save for maybe Suppression Bonds but I thought that was Origins). I wouldn't want to be a new player in today's Duels, especially on xbone where 1s still get paired with 40s.

Also, the nurfed elf that could deal w/ flyers was an X/X that could tap to deal X to a flying creature, not a 1/3 with reach. Or am I forgetting an elf other than Sylvan Ranger and Jagged-Scar Archers that got cut? I was a fan of the big dumb Archers; I don't think I've built an elf deck since they got axed...

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 9:47 am 
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Not much. They get a 5cc instant speed black removal spell, Reprisal and Solemn Offering in white, rec sage in green, and a couple small damage sources in red that could pick off none of the most commonly played vehicles. (Edit: got ninjad with some other options I overlooked, but none that are good, save for maybe Suppression Bonds but I thought that was Origins). I wouldn't want to be a new player in today's Duels, especially on xbone where 1s still get paired with 40s.

Also, the nurfed elf that could deal w/ flyers was an X/X that could tap to deal X to a flying creature, not a 1/3 with reach. Or am I forgetting an elf other than Sylvan Ranger and Jagged-Scar Archers that got cut? I was a fan of the big dumb Archers; I don't think I've built an elf deck since they got axed...


I understand they removed Mwonvuli Acid-Moss but why remove Jagged-Scar Archers? they literally killed elf decks single handed with that move right there.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 5:58 pm 
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The argument was "They dominated too much against flyers". You know, that tier 3 garbage that lost to pretty much anything anyway. Almost all nontoken fliers were awful during ORI/BFZ seasons and they would have lost anyway. I ran into a stainless account playing U/W starter box fliers a couple weeks ago so I guess they had that deck in mind.

I miss the Jagged-Scars. They'd be great against not just vehicles, they would also allow a starter box archetype (elves) to have an answer against bomb angel mythics.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 12:47 pm 
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GimmickMan wrote:
The argument was "They dominated too much against flyers". You know, that tier 3 garbage that lost to pretty much anything anyway. Almost all nontoken fliers were awful during ORI/BFZ seasons and they would have lost anyway. I ran into a stainless account playing U/W starter box fliers a couple weeks ago so I guess they had that deck in mind.

I miss the Jagged-Scars. They'd be great against not just vehicles, they would also allow a starter box archetype (elves) to have an answer against bomb angel mythics.

Elves also need desperately an Heedless One substitute. Damn even an Elvish Champion could give a hand considering you can have only 2 copies.

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