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| Author: | Flopfoot [ Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | [KHM-ICD] Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider |
   Vorinclex, Monstrous RaiderLegendary Creature - Phyrexian Praetor Trample, haste If you would put one or more counters on a permanent or player, put twice that many of each of those kinds of counters on that permanent or player instead. If an opponent would put one or more counters on a permanent or player, put half that many of each of those kinds of counters on that permanent or player instead, rounded down. 6/6 |
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| Author: | CommanderJim [ Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [KHM-ICD] Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider |
It's neat that they're sticking with the original Praetor template. I wasn't sure there'd be enough design space. I'm pretty sure this turns your opponents' planeswalkers' +1 abilities into +0 abilities, which is harsh in a cool way. |
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| Author: | Flopfoot [ Wed Dec 23, 2020 5:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [KHM-ICD] Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider |
We just got here and already the phyrexians are destroying the place |
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| Author: | Tevish Szat [ Wed Dec 23, 2020 7:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [KHM-ICD] Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider |
Kinda torn on "Phyrexian" as a type. Love how screwed enemy PWs are, but unsure they'd print another PW-valid Doubling Season on the upside. |
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| Author: | Flopfoot [ Wed Dec 23, 2020 8:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [KHM-ICD] Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider |
"Doubling Season does not affect loyalty gain and loss from paying the costs for planeswalker abilities" |
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| Author: | CommanderJim [ Wed Dec 23, 2020 8:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [KHM-ICD] Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider |
Flopfoot wrote: "Doubling Season does not affect loyalty gain and loss from paying the costs for planeswalker abilities" That's because Doubling Season cares about "effects", which excludes costs. Cards like Pir, Imaginative Rascal have always worked with planeswalker abilities, since Pir uses a broader wording. This would work like Pir. That Doubling Season power-level comparison is a good point, though. They've said repeatedly how Doubling Season is too strong with planeswalkers, so printing one that's both in standard and also a commander is kinda surprising. |
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| Author: | GobO_Sledder [ Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [KHM-ICD] Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider |
I'm just dropping by to add text versions to the OP. Image links can break, not load or just be hard to read so I wanted to put a text version in at the top of the post. Your GobO, Sledder |
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| Author: | Aaarrrgh [ Thu Dec 24, 2020 1:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [KHM-ICD] Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider |
I have a hard time believing that this is real. Mostly because they have put so much effort into making Tibalt finally seem like a credible threat (or even just, you know, capable of anything notable at all) that it would seem really weird to undercut that with SURPRISE PHYREXIANS! On the other hand, phyrexian as a creature type might be the answer to MaRo's hint about a type players have been asking for, not to mention his hints about there being poison in the set. On the other hand, those hints could have inspired someone to choose this specific design for their fake leak. On the third hand, that art is obviously new, high quality art of Vorinclex, which would be hard to just pull out of thin air for a fake. Ugh, I guess it might be real, but I'm still hoping it isn't. |
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| Author: | Flopfoot [ Thu Dec 24, 2020 1:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [KHM-ICD] Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider |
Maybe the phyrexians will lose, idk |
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| Author: | CommanderJim [ Thu Dec 24, 2020 2:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [KHM-ICD] Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider |
Aaarrrgh wrote: I have a hard time believing that this is real. Mostly because they have put so much effort into making Tibalt finally seem like a credible threat (or even just, you know, capable of anything notable at all) that it would seem really weird to undercut that with SURPRISE PHYREXIANS! On the other hand, phyrexian as a creature type might be the answer to MaRo's hint about a type players have been asking for, not to mention his hints about there being poison in the set. On the other hand, those hints could have inspired someone to choose this specific design for their fake leak. On the third hand, that art is obviously new, high quality art of Vorinclex, which would be hard to just pull out of thin air for a fake. Ugh, I guess it might be real, but I'm still hoping it isn't. I like the idea that Tibalt somehow uses the Sword of the Realms to open a portal to Phyrexia. Then he still feels like an important part of the story and a successful villain. Kinda like Nahiri in Shadows Over Innistrad. |
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| Author: | Aaarrrgh [ Thu Dec 24, 2020 2:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [KHM-ICD] Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider |
I guess. But then that instead creates the narrative snag that the phyrexians have been trying for a while to build a portal, and it was a big deal when Tezzeret managed to get ahold of one, and then it turns out there's was a sword on Kaldheim which could do it all along, and possibly better than the planar bridge did? |
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| Author: | Thrull Champion [ Sat Dec 26, 2020 6:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [KHM-ICD] Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider |
So wait, this was real? This set is turning into a God awful mess. |
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| Author: | Aaarrrgh [ Sat Dec 26, 2020 7:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [KHM-ICD] Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider |
I don't think it's been confirmed yet either way. |
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| Author: | CuriousHeartless [ Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [KHM-ICD] Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider |
Commenting on leaks is like the worst option for a company most of the time, they usually try to just ignore it (like I think the only reason the Dominaria leak got confirmed is because it was done by a WotC branch) |
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| Author: | Flopfoot [ Sat Dec 26, 2020 1:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [KHM-ICD] Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider |
Fake spoilers haven’t really been a thing in the last ten years |
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| Author: | Ragnarokio [ Sat Dec 26, 2020 1:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [KHM-ICD] Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider |
when was the last time a prominent leak ended up being fake? |
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| Author: | Flopfoot [ Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [KHM-ICD] Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider |
TINAL used the M10 Sunpetal Grove art to pretend that Zendikar had a land that tapped for nine mana |
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| Author: | neru [ Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [KHM-ICD] Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider |
there was a fake elesh norn not long after this vorinclex leak came out, but it was pretty bad |
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