It is currently Tue Dec 03, 2024 4:15 pm

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 9 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: DLCR: Green fat
PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 1:08 am 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Sep 23, 2013
Posts: 8248
Identity: Spambot
Preferred Pronoun Set: 0, 1
There are 3 big common green creatures, nessian asp, vulpine goliath, and pheres-band centaurs

So, I have 2 questions:
1: How do they rank? Which is the best and which is the worst, and how much better is one than the others?
2: How highly do you take the best one? Between all 3 of them, it should be easy to get more than enough green fat. Is its power level enough higher than the others that you want to secure that specific fatty over the rest at the cost of another useful card?

_________________
Any resemblance to actual persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: DLCR: Green fat
PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 2:44 am 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Sep 22, 2013
Posts: 1712
I'd say asp wins just barely over goliath by virtue of cost one less (and that one less is colored, too.) Plus it is just as hard to kill. If I was already heavily into green, I might consider the fox over the asp.

Centaurs are not terrible, but I'd choose most green creatures over them, if available, and consider another color depending on how early, what's available, etc. He is a huge blocker, which is nice, and stop most of the biggest guys. He might win out over the others in some cases depending on how many solid threats I already had, but I'd think that would be rare. Alternately, he could work in a combo/control deck better sometimes. But most of the removal he dodges the others dodge as well.

I would think most of these would be outclassed by other more efficient spells in green a lot of the time. Again though, none of them are bad at all, and you'll see them often, so this is a good question.


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: DLCR: Green fat
PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:30 am 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Sep 25, 2013
Posts: 4317
Does staunch-heart warrior also count as a green fatty?

I would rank them:
1(polukranos, world eater)->
2(arbor colossus)->
3 nessian asp (and nemesis of mortals)->
4(nylea's emissary and centaur battlemaster)->
5staunch-hearted warrior(nylea, god of the hunt and (anthousa, setessan hero)->
6pheres-band centaurs and vulpine goliath

The first 4 groups are the ones that make me want to play green.


Last edited by Hello World on Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:44 am, edited 1 time in total.

Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: DLCR: Green fat
PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:16 am 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Sep 23, 2013
Posts: 6317
Location: New York
Asp is a decent pick 3-4, goliath and centaurs make an OK pick 8-9. I like the centaurs fine since I don't mind paying 5 for a 3/5 in most limited formats, and a 3/7 is just a huge roadblock and wears bestow like a champ.

_________________
"In all fairness that probably is a sight that would make you stop and reevaluate your life choices." ~ Garren_Windspear

Talcar Battle Map
The Tower
Initiative Order
Talcar Characters


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: DLCR: Green fat
PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:23 am 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Sep 23, 2013
Posts: 844
The asp is pretty solid in my book. 5 for a 4/5 is decent enough, the reach is pretty relevant and the monstrous ability puts it ahead of the other common green fat.

The vulpine goliath is in an odd place for me. The trample is extremely relevant when you start pumping him and 6/5 for 6 is a solid body. For some reason though, I often have a hard time finding space for him. I think it's fairly easy to get some powerful late game creatures in this format, so he's more easily replaceable.

I like to play a proactive game, so although I see the value in the centaur, he rarely fits in my strategy. He's just too defensive and defensive is not something I like to be in Theros. Like rstnme, I've played my fair share of 3/5s for 5 in past formats, but in Theros, they just don't work for me.


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: DLCR: Green fat
PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:07 am 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Sep 23, 2013
Posts: 14004
Identity: Chaoslight
Preferred Pronoun Set: She
Th asp is twice as good as the others.

_________________
altimis wrote:
I never take anytihng Lily says seriously, except for when I take it personally. Then it's personal.
WotC_Ethan wrote:
People, buy more stuff.
#WotCstaff
Spoiler

Image


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: DLCR: Green fat
PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:19 am 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Sep 23, 2013
Posts: 2582
I heard that the centaur is great with 7 toughness, underrated and underestimated but I never got to play it so it is all hearsay. I did play against it before though, and it is just annoying.

I like the fox, 6/5 trample is good. However, I have problems making it fit in sometimes. Still, the trample is really good, makes chump blocking hard. Trample is a nice asset to have in this draft environment.

Personally, I think the asp is the best green common fatty. 4/5 is solid and most importantly, it has reach. Reach. Saved me more than once already from fliers. In one game, I managed to get to a stand-still despite differences in numbers because of the asp and turned the match around with a Hopeful bestow and monstrosity activation.


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: DLCR: Green fat
PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:30 am 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Sep 25, 2013
Posts: 3084
The Asp comes out significantly ahead of the others, but Vulpine Goliath is remarkably difficult to stabilize against due to trample. I've had a grand total of 1 times that the Centaur was used against me to any significant effect. It stalls up the ground, but can't stop aerial threats, and is too easily chumped or even flat-out blocked.

_________________
Quote:
"If you refuse to use rock, you will never beat scissors." — Galef, Dakka Dakka Forums


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: DLCR: Green fat
PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 1:38 pm 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Sep 23, 2013
Posts: 7260
What everyone said. Snake > Fox > Centaur(s). But I don't want to play more than 1 6 drop or more then 2 5 drops.

Usually Fox is competing with a blue flying 6 drop, and/or nemesis of mortals. If I'm not in UG I am happy to run a fox though.

_________________
"Everything looks good when your opponent passes 4 turns in a row" -- rstnme
"Something that does not look good when your opponent does nothing is not a thing" -- me


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 9 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group