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| Author: | NeoSilk [ Sat Nov 30, 2013 3:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | First theros draft |
So, I broke down and went back to MTGO last night and did an 8 person 4-3-2-2 theros draft. First card I saw was Master of waves. This was the first draft I've done in months, and, I think I've only done around 10-12 total. I likely should have read up a bit more on theros before I started, but, it's all in good fun. With a card like that, would you try and force blue? I did, with a mix of green. Won the first round 2-1, but lost in the second round 2-1, with both of us getting land screwed for one of our matches. I did resolve master twice, and won both of those games. Also, both people I played against went tri-color - is that common in theros? I, being new, try and keep to two colors in drafts, when I can. Once I'm back on the laptop, I'll see about posting the decklist/pool and even the overall draft (assuming that's stored somewhere) and see if I can get some suggestions. I really enjoy the limited format, whenever I can get enough time to play...but, I can admit that I'm not very good at it, which is why I usually stick with 4-3-2-2... |
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| Author: | Zenbitz [ Sat Nov 30, 2013 3:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: First theros draft |
Yes I would probably force blue after a p1p1 master of waves. But blue is pretty good in this format regardless. 3 color is not common because the fixing is pretty bad. I did play one guy who swore by 3 colors and he crushed me with a heroic Naya deck with a bunch of removal. I am usually willing to splash white for divine verdict or blue for nimbus naiad or revenge. |
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| Author: | Filobel [ Sun Dec 01, 2013 1:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: First theros draft |
A splash is fine if you have a good reason for it. Otherwise, 3 color is a bad idea. |
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| Author: | Matt Holck [ Sun Dec 01, 2013 6:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: First theros draft |
I've had no problem drafting 3 colors |
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| Author: | Jman22 [ Sun Dec 01, 2013 9:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: First theros draft |
Drafting 3 colors is pretty vomit-inducing. Only way I'd ever do it is if I were splashing White for a pair of Sentry of the Underworld with at least one traveler's amulet, or something on that level of good. Bad drafters (no offence to anybody here) generally end up in 3 colors in Theros draft because they aren't willing to properly dedicate themselves to colors, and will often jump ship if there are only mediocre cards in two packs in a row, then come to heavily regret it in the following pack(s) I've usually had my best success with this format deciding on my primary color in the first 4 picks, forcing that for the rest of the pack, and try to identify a potential secondary color for pack 2. |
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| Author: | Matt Holck [ Mon Dec 02, 2013 9:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: First theros draft |
bestow usually cost 1 color symbol to cast I usually end up playing 2 colors but I always draft 3 I don't like playing 3 colors unless I have 4 sources of any but could probably get away with 3 any mana sources Divine verdict cost one white Setessan Griffin cost one white |
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| Author: | Jman22 [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: First theros draft |
I've never played Setessan Griffin outside of Sealed (which is the worst format ever anyway) and I dislike Verdict because it forces you to keep your mana up all of the times. |
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| Author: | Matt Holck [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: First theros draft |
nickles rock, I'm not likely to draft even close to 6 usable one drops |
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| Author: | Jman22 [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: First theros draft |
Matt Holck wrote: nickles rock, I'm not likely to draft even close to 6 usable one drops I generally agree that I'll not have many one drops in MOST decks, I also hate the nickel because it botches the rest of your curve. You know how feel bad it is to have to use it when you have a 2-drop in hand? I'd generally rather play another land. |
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| Author: | Matt Holck [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: First theros draft |
on Occasion, but not nearly as often as I win games when my opponent is missing a color plus they replace land slots |
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| Author: | Zenbitz [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: First theros draft |
Setassan Griffin isn't a bad curve topper. There are quite a few game states that are just board locked on the ground. I mean, I guess splashing for it might be over the top. Maybe in G. |
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| Author: | Filobel [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: First theros draft |
Matt Holck wrote: on Occasion, but not nearly as often as I win games when my opponent is missing a color plus they replace land slots If your drafting two colors, you shouldn't be missing a color very often. If you're drafting 3 colors... well, that's what we've been saying since the start for exactly that reason! Don't draft 3 colors in Theros if you can avoid it! |
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| Author: | storyteller [ Wed Dec 04, 2013 12:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: First theros draft |
The only instances of Theros limited I won were those in which I drafted 3 colors ._. |
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| Author: | rstnme [ Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: First theros draft |
Being results-oriented isn't a solid foundation. 3-color is inherently stronger when you hit your mana, obviously. I've seen plenty of horrible-looking decks do extremely well when they hit their mana on-curve. That doesn't make them solid decks by any means. |
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| Author: | Matt Holck [ Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: First theros draft |
Filobel wrote: Matt Holck wrote: on Occasion, but not nearly as often as I win games when my opponent is missing a color plus they replace land slots If your drafting two colors, you shouldn't be missing a color very often. If you're drafting 3 colors... well, that's what we've been saying since the start for exactly that reason! Don't draft 3 colors in Theros if you can avoid it! but Baleful Eidolon only cost 5 to bestow I three color deck handles a missing color better than a two color deck |
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| Author: | Filobel [ Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: First theros draft |
Matt Holck wrote: Filobel wrote: Matt Holck wrote: on Occasion, but not nearly as often as I win games when my opponent is missing a color plus they replace land slots If your drafting two colors, you shouldn't be missing a color very often. If you're drafting 3 colors... well, that's what we've been saying since the start for exactly that reason! Don't draft 3 colors in Theros if you can avoid it! but Baleful Eidolon only cost 5 to bestow So? Akroan Crusader costs 1 to cast. I really don't understand the way you argue sometimes. You just name drop random cards with no further explanations. Let me see how that works. 2 colors is better. Arena Athlete Centaur Battlemaster Deathbellow Raider Grey Merchant Wingsteed Rider Timmy, Power Gamer Quote: I three color deck handles a missing color better than a two color deck Here's the problem with this argument. If my two colored deck is missing one color, your three colored deck would probably be missing 2 colors in that situation. A two colored deck is much less likely to be missing colors. |
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| Author: | Matt Holck [ Wed Dec 04, 2013 12:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: First theros draft |
i know but a three color deck is more likely to get 2 colors due to the wider mana variance distribution anyway. i tend to rally around a single color in which case i moligan if i don't get it |
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| Author: | Zenbitz [ Wed Dec 04, 2013 1:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: First theros draft |
It is mathematically impossible for a three color deck to be more stable than a two color deck, assuming that the "primary color" is the same size, and the fixing is equivalent. There are simply more combination of hands that have unplayable spells. |
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| Author: | Matt Holck [ Wed Dec 04, 2013 1:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: First theros draft |
I have had color problems with not having two islands with Curse of the Swine my goal is not to play subpar cards due to color restrictions |
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| Author: | storyteller [ Thu Dec 05, 2013 1:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: First theros draft |
rstnme wrote: Being results-oriented isn't a solid foundation. 3-color is inherently stronger when you hit your mana, obviously. I've seen plenty of horrible-looking decks do extremely well when they hit their mana on-curve. That doesn't make them solid decks by any means. While this is true, it's still a fact that I've won with 3 colored decks and never won with 2 colored decks. This could just be that I absolutely suck at drafting 2 colors, but still. For me personally, drafting 3 colors seems to be the better decision. |
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