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 Post subject: First theros draft
PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 3:13 pm 
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So, I broke down and went back to MTGO last night and did an 8 person 4-3-2-2 theros draft.
First card I saw was Master of waves.
This was the first draft I've done in months, and, I think I've only done around 10-12 total. I likely should have read up a bit more on theros before I started, but, it's all in good fun.

With a card like that, would you try and force blue? I did, with a mix of green. Won the first round 2-1, but lost in the second round 2-1, with both of us getting land screwed for one of our matches.
I did resolve master twice, and won both of those games.

Also, both people I played against went tri-color - is that common in theros? I, being new, try and keep to two colors in drafts, when I can.

Once I'm back on the laptop, I'll see about posting the decklist/pool and even the overall draft (assuming that's stored somewhere) and see if I can get some suggestions.

I really enjoy the limited format, whenever I can get enough time to play...but, I can admit that I'm not very good at it, which is why I usually stick with 4-3-2-2...

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 Post subject: Re: First theros draft
PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 3:27 pm 
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Yes I would probably force blue after a p1p1 master of waves. But blue is pretty good in this format regardless. 3 color is not common because the fixing is pretty bad. I did play one guy who swore by 3 colors and he crushed me with a heroic Naya deck with a bunch of removal.

I am usually willing to splash white for divine verdict or blue for nimbus naiad or revenge.

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 Post subject: Re: First theros draft
PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 1:44 am 
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A splash is fine if you have a good reason for it. Otherwise, 3 color is a bad idea.


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 Post subject: Re: First theros draft
PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 6:34 pm 
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I've had no problem drafting 3 colors

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 Post subject: Re: First theros draft
PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 9:50 pm 
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Drafting 3 colors is pretty vomit-inducing. Only way I'd ever do it is if I were splashing White for a pair of Sentry of the Underworld with at least one traveler's amulet, or something on that level of good.

Bad drafters (no offence to anybody here) generally end up in 3 colors in Theros draft because they aren't willing to properly dedicate themselves to colors, and will often jump ship if there are only mediocre cards in two packs in a row, then come to heavily regret it in the following pack(s)

I've usually had my best success with this format deciding on my primary color in the first 4 picks, forcing that for the rest of the pack, and try to identify a potential secondary color for pack 2.

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 Post subject: Re: First theros draft
PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 9:12 pm 
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bestow usually cost 1 color symbol to cast
I usually end up playing 2 colors but I always draft 3

I don't like playing 3 colors unless I have 4 sources of any
but could probably get away with 3 any mana sources

Divine verdict cost one white
Setessan Griffin cost one white

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 Post subject: Re: First theros draft
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I've never played Setessan Griffin outside of Sealed (which is the worst format ever anyway) and I dislike Verdict because it forces you to keep your mana up all of the times.

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 Post subject: Re: First theros draft
PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:32 pm 
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nickles rock, I'm not likely to draft even close to 6 usable one drops

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 Post subject: Re: First theros draft
PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:00 pm 
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Matt Holck wrote:
nickles rock, I'm not likely to draft even close to 6 usable one drops


I generally agree that I'll not have many one drops in MOST decks, I also hate the nickel because it botches the rest of your curve. You know how feel bad it is to have to use it when you have a 2-drop in hand? I'd generally rather play another land.

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 Post subject: Re: First theros draft
PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:14 pm 
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on Occasion, but not nearly as often as I win games when my opponent is missing a color
plus they replace land slots

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 Post subject: Re: First theros draft
PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:23 pm 
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Setassan Griffin isn't a bad curve topper. There are quite a few game states that are just board locked on the ground.

I mean, I guess splashing for it might be over the top. Maybe in G.

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 Post subject: Re: First theros draft
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Matt Holck wrote:
on Occasion, but not nearly as often as I win games when my opponent is missing a color
plus they replace land slots

If your drafting two colors, you shouldn't be missing a color very often. If you're drafting 3 colors... well, that's what we've been saying since the start for exactly that reason! Don't draft 3 colors in Theros if you can avoid it!


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 Post subject: Re: First theros draft
PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 12:38 am 
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The only instances of Theros limited I won were those in which I drafted 3 colors ._.

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 Post subject: Re: First theros draft
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Being results-oriented isn't a solid foundation. 3-color is inherently stronger when you hit your mana, obviously. I've seen plenty of horrible-looking decks do extremely well when they hit their mana on-curve. That doesn't make them solid decks by any means.

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 Post subject: Re: First theros draft
PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:19 am 
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Filobel wrote:
Matt Holck wrote:
on Occasion, but not nearly as often as I win games when my opponent is missing a color
plus they replace land slots

If your drafting two colors, you shouldn't be missing a color very often. If you're drafting 3 colors... well, that's what we've been saying since the start for exactly that reason! Don't draft 3 colors in Theros if you can avoid it!


but Baleful Eidolon only cost 5 to bestow

I three color deck handles a missing color better than a two color deck

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 Post subject: Re: First theros draft
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Matt Holck wrote:
Filobel wrote:
Matt Holck wrote:
on Occasion, but not nearly as often as I win games when my opponent is missing a color
plus they replace land slots

If your drafting two colors, you shouldn't be missing a color very often. If you're drafting 3 colors... well, that's what we've been saying since the start for exactly that reason! Don't draft 3 colors in Theros if you can avoid it!


but Baleful Eidolon only cost 5 to bestow

So? Akroan Crusader costs 1 to cast.

I really don't understand the way you argue sometimes. You just name drop random cards with no further explanations. Let me see how that works.

2 colors is better.

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I three color deck handles a missing color better than a two color deck

Here's the problem with this argument. If my two colored deck is missing one color, your three colored deck would probably be missing 2 colors in that situation. A two colored deck is much less likely to be missing colors.


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 Post subject: Re: First theros draft
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i know
but a three color deck is more likely to get 2 colors due to the wider mana variance distribution

anyway. i tend to rally around a single color in which case i moligan if i don't get it

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 Post subject: Re: First theros draft
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It is mathematically impossible for a three color deck to be more stable than a two color deck, assuming that the "primary color" is the same size, and the fixing is equivalent.

There are simply more combination of hands that have unplayable spells.

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 Post subject: Re: First theros draft
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I have had color problems with not having two islands with Curse of the Swine

my goal is not to play subpar cards due to color restrictions

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 Post subject: Re: First theros draft
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rstnme wrote:
Being results-oriented isn't a solid foundation. 3-color is inherently stronger when you hit your mana, obviously. I've seen plenty of horrible-looking decks do extremely well when they hit their mana on-curve. That doesn't make them solid decks by any means.


While this is true, it's still a fact that I've won with 3 colored decks and never won with 2 colored decks.
This could just be that I absolutely suck at drafting 2 colors, but still.
For me personally, drafting 3 colors seems to be the better decision.

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