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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:59 am 
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6 mana for two damage is not where I want to be.

Skullcleaver.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:31 am 
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6 mana for two damage is not where I want to be.

That's like saying skullcleaver is 3 mana for 0 damage. Triton does significantly more than die for 2 damage.


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6 mana for two damage is not where I want to be.

That's like saying skullcleaver is 3 mana for 0 damage. Triton does significantly more than die for 2 damage.


Those two statements have nothing to do with each other except exhibit your ineptitude for analogy.

3-mana 2/3s are OK in limited but not great. The sac-for-shock is underwhelming. If 2 damage was a house in this limited format Lightning Strike and Pharika's Cure would be first pickable, or second, or even third. They're not.

Presenting 4 damage off a single creature in the beginning of the game is better.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:13 am 
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rstnme wrote:
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rstnme wrote:
6 mana for two damage is not where I want to be.

That's like saying skullcleaver is 3 mana for 0 damage. Triton does significantly more than die for 2 damage.


Those two statements have nothing to do with each other except exhibit your ineptitude for analogy.

You talked as if triton did nothing but deal 2 damage for 6 mana. That's definitely not what triton is about. Triton blocks and attacks, that's pretty damn relevant. You can't just ignore that and say stupidities like "6 mana for 2 damage isn't where I want to be".

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3-mana 2/3s are OK in limited but not great. The sac-for-shock is underwhelming. If 2 damage was a house in this limited format Lightning Strike and Pharika's Cure would be first pickable, or second, or even third. They're not.

Lightning strike certainly is third pickable. Pharika's cure probably not. Either way though, this isn't 3rd pick. We've been moving further and further away from aggro as picks go on (in large part thanks to you), and now you want to pick a creature that is pure aggro over one that has much more potential utility? I'm really confused as to where you think our deck is going, or if you even understand that just because a card is good in certain archetypes doesn't mean they're good in all archetypes.

If you feel like it's time to move back towards aggro, then yeah, skullcleaver is a fine pick. But the discussion we need to have here is what our deck wants to do, not be dismissive of a pretty solid utility card because you treat it as a straight up burn card.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:23 am 
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Away from aggro? Didn't you first pick Caryatid? Who's talking nonsense?

I see a 2-drop, two 3-drops, two 4-drops, and a 6-drop with cheap removal/tempo, the "worst" card of which being a 1/5 creature with evasion that stops early aggro and wears bestow like a champ. A 3-mana, 4-powered creature on that curve is awesome. If you can't see this as an aggressive deck, then there's not much I can do to help you.

A 2/3 for 3, like I said, is OK. But it's most effective in a durdling game. Does it attack into T4 creatures? Not at all. Does it kill T3 creatures and T2 creatures on T4? Sure. But... who cares? Do we really want to run multiples?

No.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:50 am 
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Away from aggro? Didn't you first pick Caryatid? Who's talking nonsense?

It's nonsense to abandon your first pick when it doesn't mesh with the cards you're being passed?

In at least two places, you picked the durdling card over the aggressive one and people followed you, so I assumed that's where we were taking this deck. If we're going with an aggressive deck now, then fine, the minotaur is the better card for that deck. I'm all for it, RU is better when it's aggressive anyway.

I'm regretting that 1/5 already though.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:05 am 
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The only instances you're referring to are when I picked Horizon Chimera over... whatever garbage there was to pick (Sorry, the rest of that pack was garbage by comparison) and when I picked a 1/5 EVASIVE FLYER THAT WEARS BESTOW LIKE A CHAMP HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS over aqueous form, a meh card at best, unless you live in magicChristmasland.

On another note... a mediocre pick 7 doesn't determine we're in a durdle deck for the rest of the draft. A 6-mana 4/4 flyer pick 3 doesn't either.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 12:08 pm 
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rstnme wrote:
The only instances you're referring to are when I picked Horizon Chimera over... whatever garbage there was to pick (Sorry, the rest of that pack was garbage by comparison) and when I picked a 1/5 EVASIVE FLYER THAT WEARS BESTOW LIKE A CHAMP HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS over aqueous form, a meh card at best, unless you live in magicChristmasland.

On another note... a mediocre pick 7 doesn't determine we're in a durdle deck for the rest of the draft. A 6-mana 4/4 flyer pick 3 doesn't either.

Everything wears bestow like a champ.


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The only instances you're referring to are when I picked Horizon Chimera over... whatever garbage there was to pick (Sorry, the rest of that pack was garbage by comparison) and when I picked a 1/5 EVASIVE FLYER THAT WEARS BESTOW LIKE A CHAMP HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS over aqueous form, a meh card at best, unless you live in magicChristmasland.

On another note... a mediocre pick 7 doesn't determine we're in a durdle deck for the rest of the draft. A 6-mana 4/4 flyer pick 3 doesn't either.

Everything wears bestow like a champ.


You do seem like someone who'd bestow a guardians of meletis.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:10 pm 
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rstnme wrote:
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The only instances you're referring to are when I picked Horizon Chimera over... whatever garbage there was to pick (Sorry, the rest of that pack was garbage by comparison) and when I picked a 1/5 EVASIVE FLYER THAT WEARS BESTOW LIKE A CHAMP HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS over aqueous form, a meh card at best, unless you live in magicChristmasland.

On another note... a mediocre pick 7 doesn't determine we're in a durdle deck for the rest of the draft. A 6-mana 4/4 flyer pick 3 doesn't either.

Everything wears bestow like a champ.


You do seem like someone who'd bestow a guardians of meletis.

:rolleyes:


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Filobel wrote:
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Everything wears bestow like a champ.


You do seem like someone who'd bestow a guardians of meletis.

:rolleyes:


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:11 pm 
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I actually think Triton v. Minotaur is a hard choice. I just like the haste slightly better than the ability to deal 2 to something off of the inevitable (for boht guys) chump block.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:08 am 
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I don't think we already have a secondary color, but using two 2/3 without an effect doesn't look like a winning plan , so we should pretend to be U/R(red seems decently open too).

I'm okay with skullcleaver.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:32 pm 
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Another point in favor of skullcleaver is that it's NOT RB. We may end up with a pretty light blue splash for the ends and big chimera.

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Another point in favor of skullcleaver is that it's NOT RB. We may end up with a pretty light blue splash for the ends and big chimera.

Anything is possible, but considering over 70% of our colored cards are blue, I'd say chances are we'll end up heavy blue.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:15 pm 
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We should be nicely rewarded for our devotion to blue in packs 2 and 3, considering we're not sending a lot of blue through, and a lot of blue has been coming our way.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 7:27 pm 
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??? We have 5 blue cards, 2 of them are unremarkable and one is a 6 drop. I see nothing compelling about our blue cards beyond 2 voyages' end which are perfect splash cards.

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Draft not dead!

Tied between Triton and Minotaur 3-3 (**** ties)

I'll use my new biased power to break the tie voting for Triton.

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