Alright, no one else is making a vote change and no telling if 15377 will be online to add his voice so, Unvote, Vote: Altimis.

A vote needs to happen. I am convinced at this point.

UNVOTE

VOTE: altimis

Go town!

You may notice how squinty was reacting when you asked him if he'd change his vote. Pretty blindly.
I took you with it because you didn't initially respond to my reactions of your questions. So it, I dunno, looked as if I did a lot of work for nothing and it got to me.

The reason I'm putting squinty and tony at 99% is because I have started to play a little outguess the mod in my mind.
With the lynch settled, I think this is the perfect time to post the theory.
There's a babyface. And I still don't like squinty's plays.

Funny how you mention the babyface thing in the next sentence of your post as well

Meh. I was gonna do the same thing if it came down to that vs a no lynch.

@JaC: Why would you assume Squinty over Tony? Tony has been far more complacent than squinty and his early game antics scream nothing but scum?

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VOTECOUNT:

15377 (3): Squinty Eyes, Just_A_Cleric

Shockwave (1): Tony3

Altimis (4): Freddeh, 15377, Shockwave07, Altimis

Not Voting

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Altimis is lynched it is now Night 4, No posting.

Altimis was the VILLAGE BELL-RINGER, TOWN-ALIGNED VANILLA

Send Night Targets Asap

Day 5

Things are looking grim. The town wakes and one by one makes their way out into the streets to find the gruesome scene: the mangle corpse of Tony3 lies in the streets.

He was Town Aligned Vanilla

I dont know the name of his role because he deleted the PM, so this is what we get I reckon.

It is now Day 5

With 5 alive it is 3 to lynch.

If a majority has not been reached by 10pm PST 13 Nov 13 the day will result in a no lynch.

I didn't delete the pm. Due to the system in hand, once someone sends over x messages, it starts automatically deleting the oldest messages. Sorry about that. I was indeed town aligned vanilla.

Thanks for letting me join guys. Wasn't quite expecting the massive posting load as the ones I've seen before were not nearly as involved, but it was a lot of fun. Good luck!

Grand, so now w're down to:

15377
Freddeh
Just_a_cleric
Shockwave
squinty_eyes

And with tony3 eliminated, and verified as town with Confused confirming both me and him, I suppose I'm a damn safe bet for being town in everyone's eyes. But we still have two mafiosos to lynch, and we're just about out of time. I believe this is what they called a "Lynch or Lose" situation, right? We have to get this one right, otherwise the mafia win today, so any suggestions on how to figure out this (possibly) last day?

~SE++

I'll tell you how things are going to go today. People are going to ponder JaC or Jay for a little while, then somebody will get ants in their pants and finally throw a vote. Then two more will follow suit quickly, as mafia will either be piling on or town will because, let's face it, neither one of myself or JaC has been a pinnacle of town behavior this game. The question is first and foremost, is one of us scum and secondly if yes, which one it is.

So here's what I propose JaC. There's three other voters. That's enough to lynch. How about you and me step back, let them talk it out and whichever way they decide to take the day, the day goes that way?

I was actually planning the same thing, yes.
Both of our arguments were pretty much made in the last day because the discussion were both about Alt and me and our conversations, and the stuff between you and Shock I brought up.
So I don't think there's much point in relisting everything now when it can be found a few dozen posts up.

Also, as for the babyface thing from end of last day, it is pretty much a theory at this point, because only 1 mafiate died and we don't know if the others have special roles.
It's imo only a real possibility if we lynch a scum today that has no special role.

So regardless, I don't think we need to look at squinty_eyes today.

The very fact that you said this makes me super suspicious of you. But as JaC already said, we don't need to look at you today.

As far as I'm concerned, mafia are either both JD and Shockwave, or JD/Shockwave + Squinty, if I'm continuing on the notion that it was either JaC+Alt or JD+Shockwave. I'll have to look back and make sure it wasn't just JaC perpetuating that though, need to look at Alt.

I AM really mad at Alt for hammering himself though, that might have completely screwed us if JD turns out to be scum.

Sorry, just trying to eliminate myself from the guesses today so we have a fighting chance. Besides, even if we hit a mafia, I'm gone tonight since I'm confirmed town by Confused (town cop), who was also right about tony (town vanilla). Just trying to help people avoid throwing a vote away.

Problem is, we need you guys to vote unless you're BOTH mafia. With five alive, if ONE of you are mafia and we guess right, we'll never lynch since the other mafia won't vote that way. If we vote wrong, the mafia will jump on, we lose and the game ends as you guys sit it out and claim no fault for the game. Neither one of these options sounds very good to me.

Again, we need more help doing this. Personally, I rarely see Freddeh or myself add much conversation. Shockwave adds a bit more, but still, you guys are both cutting out your analysis' now? Not exactly the ideal time to stop talking since we're at "Lynch or Lose."

~SE++

We will vote when the time comes, near the end of the day probably.

But personally I feel like I said almost everything yesterday because I came under scrutiny and it looked like the possibility unfolded that I could be lynched while asleep. And 15377 was also a lynch candidate during the day.

The short version was:
I still don't like squinty's play much, but the investigation is enough clearance for now.
15377 and Shock is the team I'm looking at most. Mostly because of the 'trap' during D3 (Shock posted something, 15377 replied but didn't continue on it. I did and I was trapped) and Shock's defense of 15377 during the discussion with Altimis last day. Minor points were JD's mistakes during reminiscing of last day. First with the living player-mistake and later getting the claim order from Confused/zinger reversed.
Lilan did alright during D1, but Shock made a few bad posts I think.
Fred I feel a bit more comfortable about. I didn't have a good grasp on him at the early stages of the game, but now he starts to post more and I can't really find that many faults in it.

Looking back through the posts looks like the idea of a Babyface started with one of your posts number 810 to be precise.



Middle of Day 4 is when this post happened, and either way you started it and JaC is acting like its possible as well. Not sure if it makes sense if he's following you, but given my current strongest town and scum reads you can probably guess where my thoughts might be.

For clarification, strongest town is still 15377 and still locked onto JaC as scum.

This. I never said I wouldn't vote. And my analysis has been laid out yesterday. But rather than have me and JaC brow beating back and forth when we've pretty much covered it all already does nothing but let everybody else lurk away the day. The rest of you are leading the day. If something comes up that myself or JaC needs to address, we will be around to do so. Once you lot have run the course of discussion, then we'll step back in to wrap things up.

Would you mind summarizing your stance, like JAC did? It'd help things a lot since going back and reading over everything gets a bit confusing sometimes.

~SE++

New plan JaC. If in another 48ish hours nobody has still bothered to do anything, we just vote and let the chips fall where they may.

In all fairness, I was kinda waiting on a quick response from you to start discussing again...

~SE++