Then Tiny would be all over me again because I didn't vote

Oh, I remembered.

If Garren does come up town, I'm expecting the roleblockers to target each other for obvious reasons.

Scrath this. If Garren does come up town, one of you is prob mafia, but someone else could be the killer.

And...Garren has been lynched. The medical kit he was holding was not enough, so people search more and more....and come up empty. No one wants to believe it, but, Garren turns out to be a Town Aligned Doctor.

No more talking! D5 will begin in 3 days (~9:00 AM EST on Wed)

Oh - and send in any night actions that anyone might have.

A quick "business" post, made with Neo's blessing.

Just want to make everybody aware that I leave for PaizoCon Thursday morning; I return home on a red-eye from Seattle Sunday night/Monday morning. The hotel has wifi, but my posting frequency is likely to be a little slower during those 4+ days. I wanted to get the info out there now, before the day starts, in case it will affect any plans anybody has for how to proceed during the day. I'll be available all day Wednesday - start of the Day - as normal.

OK, everybody back to sleep now!

And Zherog is mod-killed. Game over

Just kidding

D5 is approaching, still waiting for some PM's. You've got about 1.5 days to get them in!

As the sun breaks the horizon, the people of chocolate land come out of their homes to find Zherog dead. There's a sign on him saying "He was a cop, game over"

And, it is. With 3 town players left, and 3 mafia players, town no longer has the majority.

So - couple of closing things to spark some conversation.

Alt was actually a "role-cop" based on the "real" names. He was able to determine someone's role, but not alignment, assuming he was not blocked on each night.

There was no "view only" person for the telepath chat. There was an undercover agent there, who was permitted to send short messages to the mafia as a night action. So, the first night, when Zherog was blocked, it was just bad luck for the town. After that, mafia knew he was a cop (or claimed to be a cop) and was able to keep blocking him.

The 2 issues that came up that I didn't know what to do were:

Night 3 - Squinty tried to kill Confused, but the mafia put the hit on him. Looking back, I should have let Squinty's kill go through before he was killed, but, I let chance decide, and it favored town (since Confused was town).

Also on Night 3...this one was more complicated. Zherog tried to investigate someone. The Mafia roleblocker blocked Z. And, the town roleblocker (Fel) blocked the mafia blocker.
Looking back, I'm still not sure. If both blocks happen at the same time, then both the mafia blocker and Zherog were blocked, and the check does not go through. If Fel's went first, then the Mafia blocker would not have blocked the town cop, and he would have had some extra info. If the Mafia block went first, then Zherog gets no info.

So, I did some dice, and Z got blocked. That favored the Mafia (who even discussed ending the game there, and giving it to the town).

So, let me know any questions...here's the chat areas:

Mafia Chat
Telepath Chat
Dead Chat

Personally, while it would have extended the game, I'm not convinced it would have ended in a town win.

Oh, and, of course, full roles:

Ace - Mafia killer (meaning he had a night action of putting out the hit). That way, town had a chance of blocking him.
Zherog - Telepathic Cop
Confused - Junior Cop (once Z died, he would have gotten the cop night action)
Alt - Investigator (role-cop)
Rstnme - undercover agent (able to chat with the telepaths and send messages to the mafia)
Fel - Town roleblocker
Squinty - Vig (once he killed someone, he could only win with town, if all cops were dead)
Garren - Doc
15377 - Mafia Don
Mown - Telepath
Elijin - Telepath
seTiny - Town roleblocker
Scarlet - Mafia roleblocker
Seeker - Town tracker (he would have been able to determine someone's target)

So - sorry for the problems, when I host another game, it won't happen again (I don't think I'll ever have 3 blockers in a game again).

Let me know if there are questions or comments on anything...

Was lots of fun to watch and run this game!

Just want to add that as an undercover agent I only knew numbers was mafia, not Ace or Scarlet. I wasn't allowed in the mafia chat room, so I'm curious to see how it reads. In the mean time, great game!

Well, that's kind of a bummer. Maybe I'm biased, but I don't love how you handled my block on N3. Basically, I was blocked in that night for no reason. Of course we're playing Mafia and everything can happen, but if Z wasn't blocked in that night, we would know that there was a Mafia roleblocker and that it was either my target or Tiny's target. Since Tiny's target was Confused and he couldn't target anyone, you know where I'm going with this...

Anyway, GG guys. Lots of fun. Looking foward to playing again with you all.

Good point! I should have mentioned that.

And - some of my favorite messages between numbers and soup:

From Numbers: "I could say something classy and inspirational, but that ain't our style. Pain heals. Chicks dig Scars. Glory lasts forever."

From Soup: "Zherog targeted Garren. Mown balked at Zherog's suggestion to investigate other telepaths. Sucks for Aces. I like aged gouda/manchengo."

@Fel - no, I agree...but, I really don't know how to have better handled it. Something I should have put more into before starting the game with 3 blockers. Sorry!

And, as you'll see, both the mafia and the dead chat agree with you, that Z should not have been blocked.

Oh, and Fel - I'm really glad you didn't block Scar again. The last night, Scar blocked you, Tiny blocked you. If you blocked Scar (who was the killer for the night) I really don't know what I would have done!

I like how there's like an average of 70ish posts in the dead chat and the mafia chat...

And there are 366 in the telechat. Man, don't get me and Z in the same room again!

Also, I want to apologize if anything I said in the telechat seems mean. I was really just trying to distance myself from others without being too readily obvious in how I was "agreeing" with Zherog, and in particular I was trying to distance myself from numbers, for obvious reasons.

Hint 1:4 mafia +lyncher+miller is ridiculous lynch one of the latter next time.

Hint 2 :4 mafia is also ridiculous, start trying to determine the alignment of whoever proposes that,Is most likely a mafia ploy to get a sub optimal lynch the day before lylo.

Hint 3:zinger game's is still missing a player and it won't be me, join it quickly.

I believe we've all learned one lesson: Never give Squinty a Vigilante role, he makes terribad choices.

~SE++

Soup - what was your win condition? Were you actually mafia aligned? Or were you "town" that wins if mafia wins?

Oh, no, I was straight-up mafia. I win when all you townies get gone.

You may do that.

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Anyway, some people may read the mafia chat and see my stance on things already, but basically the main issue with this game was the roleblock-situation.
However, a lot of hosts use the timestamp-rule of doing every *action* at the same time. While this works in most situations (including the one that happened N3), the one issue where it doesn't work is multiple blockers targeting each other. For that reason it might've been an idea to use something different.

Also, for other new hosts, I will let Sapper make a hosting thread in the Setup Zone (because I can edit posts and he can't, so I can still edit everything in it). In that thread, I will also point to (semi)experienced people who can judge game setups if you're doubting if things are balanced. I will put my name on there at least, but am looking for other people that may be able to judge game setups.
For this game, the roles were skewed in town favor, but the amount of power was so extremely high that mafia could cast doubts on the truth by leading the town into an outguess-the-mod-game.

No problem. I know how hard it is to be in your position. It's just that I'm frustrated because I had the correct read on the game and that meant nothing in the end. It happens, I guess.

Can I run a game sooner or later?

I prepared one on px2 but never managed to run it,the only problem is that it's for 13 players and 15377 can't enter because I hate Americans(or maybe it was because I discussed the set-up with him? I can't remember)