Is it definite? No.
Will KOD throw a hissyfit? Yes.

We could test this if NeoSilk decided to vote. In fact, my vote was on NeoSilk, and because he doesn't exist, I'm not counted as voting.

Or you could try being less upset that your way wasn't followed by Rubik and I get to live.

That and you could also realize that I'm not the enemy here even though you're continually hellbent on arguing over every small detail that you disagree with me on.

So here is a good question: Given that my vote won't count, it will still take 4 to lynch. Will you, Alt, be one of the 4 to vote Mown? Because I'd hate to see you, as confirmed town, screw something so simple up.

Unvote, Vote: Alt

Btw that last post you were asking about was me gloating. In case that wasn't obvious.

Oh and for the sake of argument, the point you are trying to make really doesn't hold given the circumstances in this game.

If you ignore everything that has happened in this game, then yes. Rubik and I could be mafia. But if you consider what has occurred, then why are you being so fussy about it? And please don't tell me it is because you love me as much as Eli does. I can only have one lover at a time.

If anything I've done thing game has lead you to believe I'm mafia, I'm not sure what to say...

Considering I suspect you have a vote altering role. What good does voting me do?

Hello all,

I'm here to remind you all that while some bickering is expected in a bluffing game such as Mafia, the game does need to remain civil. Please keep this in mind going forward. Also: Go Town!

You have had information all game. And the only people to seriously contend that information ended up dead rather quickly.
You have claimed that you can protect yourself, stop people's voting, and investigate people, which seems to be a lot for one role.

As I said, is this definite, no. But these are things that could spell out mafia for a player.

Except that the role switched hands and the role was also designed independently of alignment. So what you are saying is biased Alt.

What is important is actions. He's cleared some players (razor and myself) and blocked a harmful player (Eli) while also protecting himself from (granted) supposed night kills. We know that there is a role out there (DRS) which belongs to PopPa and has numerous charges either for killing or other things.

Instead of fixating on a helpful player who has been....helpful... you might try putting pressure on someone more deserving ie PP. Or a known mafiate like Mown.

The role did switach hands, and those hands died very quickly. My information is not biased.

I have no definite proof that he blocked Eli for town benefitting objectives. Go mainstream WIFOM, he looks pretty good right now doesn't he? That is exactly where a mafia wants to be.

Mown is not a known mafiate.
You are a known town.
And that's if we take Rubik's word at face value. Which I do not apologize for not doing.

I got my role from a self-aligned player. It is very powerful.

If I were scum, I could have easily just let those two continue to instantly end the day instead of using a power no one else knew about to fix the problem. The fact that I didn't either makes me town or a bad scum player and I like to think I'm better than that.

There was also no NK yesterday and we've had no days with multiple nightkills despite mafia definitely having a killing role (Evil Twin).

You're wrong on many levels Alt. Oh so many.

I'm a known town (if you believe Rubik). I counterclaimed Mown who claimed my card (you must have forgotten that). Mown is pretty much a known mafiate as much as Eli and Story were for their actions. Arguing otherwise is counterproductive (or akin to arguing in favor of Eli and Story which no one -- to my knowledge -- was inclined to do). You're pretty much just arguing a very weak point that holds no basis.

The way you're operating is under extreme paranoia that ignores how reality actually is in this game. Fact is, Eli was blocked. That role, as far as we know, solely belongs to Rubik. That earns Rubik points. On top of that we have a role that can kill or protect. I certainly haven't seen PP come in here at all to say he was the one protecting Rubik. I can certainly believe that Rubik was protecting himself from being killed by the only other role that can, to my knowledge, perform night kills.

So reality says one thing. You say another stubbornly.

But at this point I'm fine with you not going with the main outlook on this game. Once Mown is lynched and shown to be mafia, it'll help point you away from your erroneous thinking towards more productive thinking that doesn't pertain towards doubting reliable people like Rubik or myself.

If the game is as cut and dry as you two are proposing, then town should have no problems being 100% honest about their roles right now. We have two "definite" mafia, Mown and PP. Everyone else should be able to claim right? They don't have an NK, and two people don't have the ability to sway a lynch. Their supposed cards are (expended)mindslaver and sharhazad. What is everyone else's card exactly, no ifs, ands, or buts.

If people don't feel comfortable doing that, then I would like my time to think for myself.

For having a pet peeve, you sure do like mistaken some things. Mown is the definite mafia. PP is not, though he is a good candidate given what has occurred this game. Do keep in mind that Mown is the only one to have done something definitive that, like Eli and Story, has outed them. PP is viewed as being potential mafia strictly because of his role and what has occurred early in the game. Big difference.

As for everyone claiming what the roles do, that hardly matters now at this point given what has been revealed in the thread. I mean I fought for getting information revealed, but you fought me on that multiple times. Don't be surprised when I tell you it doesn't matter given what we know. And for the record, we have no idea what Shazarazad does. That role, I believe, belongs to US and he's more than welcome to share if he so sees fit.

Where's the mistake?

Or was this it?

We have two people (yourself included) supposing PP to also be a profitable lynch. I would like to reask where the mistake was made?

And you effectively restated what I said, if US is town, and if this game is "so" clean cut, he has no reason to hide any information regarding what his current role is.
I don't care about information about the role, but we should be able to know for sure who has what card at this point if the game is as unlosable for town as you make it out to be.

I can ensure that a kill made on any other player during the night goes through if you're really that worried about PP protecting himself.

Rubik, are you sure your card isn't actually Cryptic Command?

I did vote - I voted for PP, but, since I don't exist...it does not count.

Fair beans.
My bad.