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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:31 pm 
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Tbh Faerie's role should also be mostly clearing so I'm fine with Dusky/her/(unfortunately) KoD as town.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:32 pm 
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I will probably evaluate my meta clear of Silver tomorrow but I have them as a solid town read too and Tevish as a wolf is growing on me.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:34 pm 
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Like I'm up to 75%-80% confidence which is something I'm much happier with.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:35 pm 
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If Silver is a wolf KoD makes us lose so I'm actually not going to care to consider that world at all.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:37 pm 
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If Tevish is actually town, this is my final request to you to do anything outside of "if I die kill LoS" because you're no more helpful right now tbh.

Because I certainly should not be a 100% likely lock wolf fypov given the things I've just talked about.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:38 pm 
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Also you don't know what powerwolfing means. Good powerwolves don't bus because they can effectively towncase their partners and keep them alive for ages.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:48 pm 
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Oh and if you're wondering why I'm caring about this game today specifically it's because I'm not going to be able to play after Monday so lol.

I think I've done my due work here to clear myself and anything from this point is completely absolved of my responsibility.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:50 pm 
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Despite telling me that I don't care about the game, I have done more quality solving in the last few hours than KoD has this entire game.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:57 pm 
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Also say WIFOM all you want but killing DaRkStAr if I were the last wolf alive literally thanks my kill chances.

Dark was willing to sheep my voting / reads multiple times and had me as lock town. Dark also did not have an easily confirmable role and was still fairly suspected.

Like you can dismiss this as "but WIFOM of the kill" but you have to admit that the Dark kill would have been terrible coming from my perspective. Like, let's say I was actually a wolf. If Dark were alive right now then I would not be losing this game, ever. I got no towncred from the kill and never even mentioned it until this cycle.

This isn't the crux of any of my arguments but come on... even if I were a wolf and killed Dark to try to get towncred that I never tried to milk because I disappeared (???) then you have to admit that the one kill drastically reduced my chances of winning and gave to ask: why???


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:58 pm 
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I believe that Tevish and Dusky(?) are the only players in the game without at least partial ability confirmations and obviously it doesn't matter for Dusky.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:49 pm 
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Despite telling me that I don't care about the game, I have done more quality solving in the last few hours than KoD has this entire game.


Yeah, if by solving you mean focusing strictly on yourself to try and prove yourself to us with arguments that can go either way.

I've underscored the danger inherent in you being a powerwolf. Yes, you can field the argument of, "Why would I focus on CL when, as scum, I would be happy either either KoD or Faerie?" Positing that, though, requires WIFOM logic because, surprise, none of us know how you'd play as a wolf. And even if you give us *some* games to go by, that doesn't strictly mean that, in this game at this time, you wouldn't do the exact opposite of what it is you're claiming.

But let me back up a moment and focus elsewhere as I have done at various points in the game. Let me stop focusing on you. Let me focus on Faerie once again.

Faerie, as I have commented on numerous times, has had a logic progression that has been weird to me wrt to CL and JD. Remember, she, like you, didn't vote at all on D1 which allowed for the two wagons that day to rand (Arrgh vs CL). She had posited a pool of four people that included Dusky, CL, myself (I think), and JD (or it may be someone else entirely as I'm forgetting off the top of my head the exact four names). But what I do remember is going into D2, after JD was killed, she openly commented on how she would have voted JD D2 if he were still alive, but instead went for CL. This came about because she talked about how, during the night I suppose, she came to the conclusion on how scummy JD was (and I guess CL). This despite the fact that of the wagons on D1 Arrgh was one and CL (he was in her pool of four) was the other wagon. And she didn't vote there.

So when she talks about voting JD if he were still alive, and going after CL next it came off as weird. Weird because why not vote CL since you're somewhat suspicious? Why not save Arrgh since you're not suspicious? It was that lack of action, yet context given on the people, that seemed odd. Course with the rand that occurred, both Zinger and I felt CL had to be town and scum didn't care who was killed (an obvious error given CL's alignment).

But Faerie did claim the ability to restore a passive. Plus, Zinger had lost his passive midday (D2) while voting for me while I was trying to push him. For Faerie to actively hinder Zinger while agreeing with Zinger, more or less, against me seems odd to say the least. Course, Faerie did end up restoring Zinger's passive given that Zinger was able to double vote me D3. So she proved her claim.

I may not have liked how she logically progressed herself, but mechanically she's proven her ability as she's claimed it. So that, as far as I am concerned, is a point in her favor. Oh, I did entertain the idea that perhaps she could disable and reenable passives, but what purpose would it serve her to actively hinder Zinger against me? It would make much more sense for someone outside of us (like you or Tevish or even CL) to be the source of the passive disable.

So, again, Faerie is fine for the most part. I certainly wouldn't put her above you given everything you've generated today. I also won't put her above Tevish because, due to my paranoia, Tevish just stands as the one I'd swing at for being too agreeable to me. Make no mistake though. As Dusky put it simply, Tevish responded much better than you which is why I'm content with you being lynched over him today.


I'm not considering Dusky or Silver.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:52 pm 
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Also you don't know what powerwolfing means. Good powerwolves don't bus because they can effectively towncase their partners and keep them alive for ages.


If you think a good powerwolf doesn't bus, then I have no further reason to respond to you.

Not that it matters given my confidence in my PoE concerning you and Tevish.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:56 pm 
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Fwiw I'm just going to flat out ignore KoD and let him gamethrow of it comes to it because I'm not talking to a player who refuses to reevaluate people in F6 because "good vibes" and "I feel guilty about vigging them".

Like even if Tevish is a wolf then this is still terrible town play and you should reflect on it tbh.


Out of the two of us, only one of us has actually professed actually ignoring walls from a player (spec chat Mr. Wiml).

But hey, at least you've shown you're not actually reading and are just making stuff up. Quite townie of you to be frank.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:43 am 
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Also you don't know what powerwolfing means. Good powerwolves don't bus because they can effectively towncase their partners and keep them alive for ages.


If you think a good powerwolf doesn't bus, then I have no further reason to respond to you.

Not that it matters given my confidence in my PoE concerning you and Tevish.


*good powerwolves don't bus unnecessarily (because they don't need to: then can win by, you know, powerwolfing).

I missed that there and that's my mistake.

Regardless, you're making this game unplayable tbh.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:45 am 
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Fwiw I'm just going to flat out ignore KoD and let him gamethrow of it comes to it because I'm not talking to a player who refuses to reevaluate people in F6 because "good vibes" and "I feel guilty about vigging them".

Like even if Tevish is a wolf then this is still terrible town play and you should reflect on it tbh.


Out of the two of us, only one of us has actually professed actually ignoring walls from a player (spec chat Mr. Wiml).

But hey, at least you've shown you're not actually reading and are just making stuff up. Quite townie of you to be frank.


I ignore walls in games I don't play in, yes. Especially incredibly long ones that accomplish nothing.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:48 am 
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Anyway, I'm fine with Tevish going over today.

But at the end of the day I have overwhelmingly proved that I'm town and the only reason you refuse to admit that is because I'm not stroking your ego.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:53 am 
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Yes, I also love Tevish's reaction where I asked them to contribute to the game because I should not be a lock wolf from their perspective and they did not contribute anything. It was a very good and towny reaction yes.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:54 am 
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I'm officially requesting to sub out of this game and am no longer going to talk after this point. Have a good one.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:50 am 
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Going silent after bussing a partner is disrespectful, but subbing out because of an argument is not? :confused:

I think we should lynch Tevish but I guess we have no choice now. I doubt someone can be found to sub in now and it wouldn't be fair to them.

On the bright side, great job at evoking the feelings of anger and frustration like the real Mario Kart!


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:56 am 
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Vote: Tevish if we are playing normally I guess.


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