Wait. I think I know why I read it the way I did.

Your second "less useful" ability saves someone from a lynch, other than yourself, and gives their vote an additional count.

I somehow mistook this as the ability you could use to save yourself.

Interesting. So you have two abilities to protect people from lynches (one for yourself, another for a player other than yourself).


Alright, so only person we haven't had claim is NIklor if I'm correct.

Oh, and if I save myself I lose my vote for that day.

FRUIT, do not use your ability to save yourself from a lynch. Doing so would e hugely anti-town. See my previous post directed at you as to why.

I still expect a response telling me that you've read and understood my previous post that was directed at you.

Yeah, totally didn't see that in the rules. I am not able to use multiple abilities tonight, so yeah, no one's getting protected by me.
It's a shame that the only way for everyone to know about my ability is for me to die...would be interesting to have me target Scar, and Fruit protect me, that way, if Scar is town, I would (maybe) be protected from killing myself, and would know Fruit's alignment, which would end up with me knowing 4 confirmed town (with KoD being confirmed if Scar is). Of course, that would only be me who would know that...

If we stick with the fruit lynch, you're right, I should have a list for my targets. If Fruit flips town, I'll be sticking with Scar. If, by some chance, Fruit flips scum, I'm thinking Garren, but could be convinced to use it on Rag or Niklor (or Zinger, for that matter).

and if the lynch fails and nobody dies today who will you target?

@Rag - still Scar. As long as we don't lynch scum, that will give the most info.

Neo, you need to be specific.

If Fruit flips Town, you will target: Scarlet

If Fruit doesn't flip (Lynch averted somehow), you will target: ???

If Fruit flips scum, you will target: ???

If Fruit flips town, I'll target Scar.
If there is no lynch, I'll target Scar.

Still up in the air on who I'll target if Fruit flips scum. However, it would not likely be Scar. As of right now, I'll say (and, of course this could change) that I'll target Niklor if fruit flips scum.

@Neo, fair enough. But if the Day ends before you've come back to change your answer, I will expect you to stick to the most recent thing you said (in this case, Niklor if Fruit flips scum).

@Neo: How exactly does the wording of your ability to kill go?

@Zinger: I understand the consequences my actions would have. I should have be more clear previously, if I use my ability the person that has the second most votes is lynched. It's a day ability so I have to use it before the end of the day although I could try to wait for the last possible second. I know that I am town and unless there is a technicality in how the mafia kills at night KoD and Scar are town. That leaves 2/5 of hitting scum although it's unlikely there will be votes for anyone but me today. Using my doesn't really accomplish anything if I just get lynched tomorrow.

@Neo: I talked to Rubik and from what I understand I can't protect you from your ability backfiring unless there is a number next to the part stating you die when you target town, if that makes sense. I think the number indicates a preventable action.

Well actually there is another way to approach this.

Fruit, if you want to prevent your lynch you can. My goal this day has been to avoid scar's lynch if at all possible. So far it looks like that has been successful, but only because of the amount of information being generates. Bearing that in mind, it looks painfully obvious that Fruit could be set up to be bussed by his partner if fruit is scum. Alternatively perhaps both scum have adjusted to voting fruit due to not being able to lynch scar or myself. After all zinger has switched the most when it comes to perspectives (for potentially a variety of reasons).

That being said, Fruit can potentially prove himself as town. His ability to protect outs himself as town to whose er he protects. That means we can test him much like how we are treating Neo to an extent.

As an example imagine if fruit protects rag tonight. Tomorrow rag can confirm if he received info from the mod concerning fruit's ability like he said. If rag doesn't, then obv fruit is lying. Course this links rag because if we lunch fruit and he comes up different the. Rag lied.

So we can approach in one of two ways: we lynch niklor for being the only player to not claim, or we no lynch and wait for neo and fruit to see their results tomorrow.

Thoughts on this course in regards to Fruit's ability?

Sorry if the post looks butchered. Words are not showing up so texting blind (on phone).

I think Fruit's ability is Hella scummy. I want to lynch Fruit. That being said, if Fruit is hellbent on using his ability to save himself from a Lynch then I still want someone to be lynched. A Day ending in no lynch right now would be super bad.

@Fruit: how exactly does your stated ability work, exactly?

@KoD: I haven't so completely changed perspectives that I don't still believe it would be a good idea to kill scar in order to hard-confirm you as Town. To that end,

Vote: Scarlet

Just ensuring that a lynch still occurs if Fruit uses some ability where the person with the second most number of votes gets lynched instead. Everyone else should absolutely keep their votes on Fruit, cuz that dude should be lynched if possible.

A while ago Scar made an excellent point about you Zinger.

You're not scumhunting. The only reason you've talked so much is because of how much talking others are doing. This seriously makes me believe you're just adjusting every time something gets brought up that you have to deal with. For example when this day started you came out swinging against me. Totally foreseeable and I can't blame you for that, but then Scar comes out of nowhere to reveal info about his role, and the first thing you do is talk about how you don't forsee us making such a huge gamble as a scum team only to say the exact opposite later. So as we sit there going over the possibilities of Neo's role, you eventually switch from a stance of "Scar must die" to "ok Neo's ability is cool to use on Scar".

One detail about today is that I've been pushing the boundaries of discussion with help from others more open to scumhunting than you have. You've actively been against all these myriad ways of going about planning/looking at interactions unless it became apparently popular (gained support more or less) from most others.

To that end, let's look at Fruit's abilities again:

1.) He claims he can prevent his lynch while causing himself to lose the ability to vote. Person with the next highest votes becomes the lynch.
2.) He claims he can make someone else unlynchable and give them an additional vote.
3.) He claims he can protect someone. When he does protect that person, they are made aware that he protected them and is town aligned. This ability also, in the event it does prevent the person from being killed, prevents whoever it was that tried to kill from killing again until (I believe) Fruit is dead (or the person he protected?).

Fruit has an ability that tells the person he protects he is town aligned. So the big question here is why are we not planning around that like we are doing with Neo's ability?

As in the example I made in a previous post, Fruit can target someone (like Rag) that can then tell us, tomorrow, whether or not it is confirmed that Rag is town (from their perspective). This will effectively create a bond between those two (like in the case of Scar and I). Rag makes the perfect target for this too because Rag was responsible for using an ability that sealed Numbers's fate and effectively got him lynched. So Rag makes the natural choice to be the one to inform all of us as to Fruit's status. If Fruit is lying, Rag will tell us so tomorrow and we lynch Fruit. If Fruit isn't lying, Rag will confirm this to us that he knows Fruit is town aligned via Fruit's ability (as indicated by the mod). In addition, this gives an indication to Rag's alignment to a point as well. Rag already has his actions in his favor for when he dealt with Numbers. Add to that, town Rag has no reason to lie. Scum Rag can't lie without serious repercussions (lynching Fruit and finding him as town directly indicates Rag is scum), so Scum Rag has motivation to lie and say Fruit is town.

Also consider that if you're suspicious of me, then you know that Scar has to be my partner due to previous interactions which means you have no reason to distrust Fruit (Fruit, Scar, and I can't can't all be scum together). On the other hand if you find Fruit suspicious, then you know I am town as is Scar for similar reasoning.

So it makes sense to let Fruit live and use his ability to further prove himself to someone who is not as likely to be scum as the rest of us (Rag).

To that end, the issue of lynching comes up as who do we lynch if anyone? We're at 8 alive. 5 is LyLo. So we can approach it in this fashion:

No Lynch today ---- Mafia kills one tonight --- D4 with 6 or 7 alive (6 if Neo succeeds/fails 7 if Neo's ability hits no scum and he lives): If 6, we are in LyLo (just like we would be if we lynched), but we'll have more interactions along with confirmation pending on who mafia kills that night.

If we lynch today then we'll gain some insight even though we have a lot of interactions floating around. For example we lynch Fruit today he turns up town which would have been proven tomorrow or at least given us a connection between Rag and him (or he turns up scum which Rag would have let us in on unless they're both scum which doesn't add up since Fruit wanted Rag lynched a previous day). Neo's already going to get us an interaction by targeting Scar (if Fruit flips town ) or by targeting someone else (effectively confirming the person he targets either way pending on what happens to him barring shennanigans). Note though that the only person that isn't really connected to anyone is Niklor. He's an unknown going into tomorrow regardless of what happens, unless Neo targets him with his kill ability. As such if we do lynch today, then it should be Niklor so that tomorrow (if Nik turns up as town) we at last have role interactions to rely upon for deducing who is scum.

To that end, I fully encourage people to make Niklor today's lynch so we can remove an unknown.

Unvote, Vote: Niklor

TL;DR: Niklor unknown. Fruit has ability to prove he is town to someone (which should be Rag). Either no lynch and let mafia give us info off a kill, or lynch Niklor (an uknown) and gain info from what results tonight (which includes abilities from Neo and Fruit).

Fruit has done nothing but make a claim that is so far unsupported by any facts. Likely his claim is a lie to save himself from a Lynch. The majority of votes should stay on fruit

Except that Fruit can vindicate himself with his claim by making himself unlynchable and casting a vote to show if what he is saying is true.

Also I want to make note of your immediate response to what I said concerning Fruit's claim.

Your response wasn't of the mind, "Perhaps you're right and we should give this a try if it means proving his innocence."

Instead your response was akin to how you've responded to most new developments. Rather than scumhunt with the possibilities, your view is he is lying to save himself from lynch. You didn't even consider his other abilities.

@Fruit:

Immediately use your ability to prevent your lynch, then follow it up by voting me or Rag or Neo or Scar or even Zinger. By your words, you lose your ability to vote once you've used your ability to make yourself unlynchable. This will help lend credibility to your claim.

After that, read up on my post where I vote Niklor. The TL;DR summary is that you can use your doc ability to give us a good idea as to whether or not you're town by targeting Rag with it. This accomplishes protecting Rag (who is the most likely to be town out of anyone) as well as puts the call in his hands as to confirming or denying whether your ability confirms to him that you're town. This also gives a connection between Rag and you that is similar to Scar and I in so much as if Rag is lying, we'll know it when an issue arises between you two. If no issues arises between you two from Rag claiming you are town from your ability, then it is more than likely you're town (since earlier you tried to get Rag lynched with me -- and we already consider Rag townie for his ability which caught Numbers which is why Rag is the best suited for being the target of your doc ability).

Savvy?

I said I have to successfully protect them, so that would mean someone would have to had targeted them with a killing ability and mine stopped it. If it they just knew I was town when I used it on them I would have used it long ago.

Are you sure?

Because if it's worded similar to Garen's, then you might be misinterpreting it.

Reference: Garen's ability to kill said --



When I read it the first time, I wondered why it was revealed. By successful, it probably meant that it went through without being interrupted. That would explain why it was revealed despite the ability not actually killing someone that had killed a town aligned player.

In that respect, if your ability is worded in a kind of similar way, you may want to confirm with the mod (if you haven't already) about whether or not your ability informs them after you protected them from a kill attempt or if it informs due to successfully going through without being blocked or interrupted in some way.