Or perhaps the mafia is you and Skystone along with Rubik?

It would explain why both Darkstar and Skystone never voted you at that particular point.

Actually, I am very aware of the difference between conviction and proof. Do you not remember Day 3, when I said that if I wasn't able to resolve the perceived partnership scumtells between you and Sky, that I would have no choice but to keep tunneling against you into oblivion? Here, I'll quote it for you in case you forgot.



This was me emphasizing the NEED for proof to resolve the situation. I explained that IN THE ABSENCE OF PROOF IN THE FORM OF A FLIP, I would have no choice but to keep following my suspicions and convictions.

And you said:


So here we are. You reap what you sow.

#Micdrop

Zinger, the fact is I am town and since you claim that you proved I was mafia (wrong), I know your system of 'proofing' things is rubbish.

KoD: I was at 3 votes from Zinger, CL and you and wasn't hammered. That proves to me Skystone is town and I believe also that Darkstar is town (I think he posted in the relevant time span but I have to go back to confirm). Now I am at e votes from him, CL and Zinger, and you didn't hammer me, so must be town (or extremely sadistic).
Zinger I believe due to his NLP. So that only leaves Rubik and CL.

You were also brought to L-1 by myself, CL, and Darkstar.

This means that for you to be town, from my perspective (in which I know I am town), the following players ALL HAVE TO BE CLEARED: Myself, Skystone, Darkstar, and KoD.

This means that for you to be Town, the scum team must consist of EXACTLY Captan Lunch and Rubik. Are you saying that there is any chance that JD would pit 10 players against a 2 man mafia team where one of them was KNOWN to be a non-participant going in? And somehow, you believe I HAVEN'T proved you're scum? That's preposterous. Absolutely preposterous.

CL is probably an adequate choice. Most plausible arrangements of mafia must contain him, except for those that contain Dusky.

Zinger himself said earlier in the game that his NLP prevents him from claiming whether the KoD information is from his ability specifically, or from his own scum chat. Ergo, it's still entirely possible that his ability entails reading town communications.

The only possible candidates for lynch seem to me to be either CL/Zinger or Dusky. Rubik is not a great target, as we lose if he happens to be town, but we beat him anyway by lynching his allies first.

In case anyone *cough*KoD*cough* still can't follow my logic train, I'll explain it again here so it is crystal clear.

Presuposition 1: We're in Lylo of a 3-man Scum team game (based on math, this is most likely true).
Presuposition 2: If Dusky were Town, scum would absolutely hammer her given the chance, because it would win them the game (based on game theory, this is also most likely true).
Presuposition 3: Dusky is town (we're trying to disprove this idea).

These are the living players:
1. Duskyblue
2. Skystone
3. KingofDominaria
4. DaRkStAr
5. Rubik
6. Zinger2099
7. Captan Lunch

At one point, these players were voting Dusky:
Zinger2099, Captan Lunch, KingofDominaria

Which put Dusky at L-1. This remained so long enough for us to assume that, except for Rubik who is inactive, there was no Scum votes outside of these 3. I know I am not scum, so the scum team must be CL, KoD, Rubik. Then, later, KoD switched out his vote, and Darkstar pushed Dusky back to L-1, so now KoD is cleared of suspicion.

This means the only possible scum team for Dusky to remain town is CL and Rubik alone. Presupposition 1 and 3 cannot coexist. Ergo, Dusky is proven to be scum (from my perspective, and presumably also from KoD's, Darkstar's, and CL's perspectives—the fact that KoD argues against when he should see the proof as I do is also very convincing argument for why KoD must also be scum).

Will you eat your hat if/when I get revealed as town?

I will be certifiably shocked, that's for sure.

Just look at my proof. You can see why I believe you are proven scum, from my perspective. Like, Presuppositions 1 through 3 cannot coexist. Either 1) The game doesn't have 3 mafiosos (defies the logic of 25% scum to town ratio), 2) scum would have cause to not hammer you (when doing so would win them the game), or 3) you are scum. Occam's razor says 3 is the answer.

Zinger, how about you swing at Rubik?

Because I have no intention on dying on any hill with your pride.

No.

How about you swing at Dusky? Because I've proven her to be scum and if you don't swing at her, you must be scum too.

So, do I get cleared too if I swing at Dusky?

Maybe. Try it and find out. It certainly couldn't hurt your chances.

Good odds I'll see it for the bussing that it probably is, but at the very least it will make me stop and reconsider my stance on you.

Dusky sat at L-1 for a bit without Darkstar or Skystone voting her. You say that proves her to be scum; however, what if the scum team is myself, Rubik, and CL?

Or do you never consider Rubik as scum here no matter what?

And counterpoint: Since Dusky initially sat at L-1 due to my vote, does me removing my vote only for Darkstar to place his auto make him town? Or do you also ignore that he didn't vote Dusky while she was available to be lynched?

Dude, if the scum team is you, Rubik, and CL, WHY HAVEN'T YOU HAMMERED DUSKY RIGHT NOW AND WON THE GAME?!

She's at L-1 right now. This is Lylo. If you are scum, vote Dusky and win.

Like, you haven't even read this post, have you KoD?

The ONLY person who has at this point PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY concerning my Dusky proof is, ironically, Skystone. A hypothetical Town Skystone is the only one who shouldn't know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Dusky is Scum.

But Skystone is scum with Dusky so that's a moot point.

Looking back, Darkstar didn't actually appear during the time KoD had his vote on me, so is not cleared from my perspective.

Not sure why I should be cleared or not be cleared. But I was definitely online in that time frame.

Huh. This is correct. Darkstar did not post once in the time span that KoD had his vote on you. How did I miss that? Although he claims to have been around (and thus able to have posted), but that might even be more damning, considering it means he was aware you were at L-1 and didn't comment on it. I think even the lurkiest of lurkers would come out of the woodwork to comment at someone being put at L-1 in Lylo.

Hmm. So the argument here is for a Darkstar, CL, and Rubik mafia team, with Dark dropping the ball and not hammering when he had the chance, yeah?

I'll think on this. It probably won't change my conclusion, but I will think on it.