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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:53 pm 
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Ugh, playing Mafia during the holiday season is rough. I'm at a new year's party, and will probably not be able to contribute more before deadline, so...

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 1:23 pm 
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I'm online and will check later to vote.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 1:24 pm 
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Anybody else wants to confirm that they are online and not hammering kod?


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 1:44 pm 
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Ps. Reminder that you will be advised if you are blocked, so aaarrrgh could not have been blocked ergo one of aaarrrgh and jd is scum.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 1:56 pm 
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After a reread of d1 i'm even more mad at tevish self voting: no posts from jd after zinger's claim to see his reaction.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:17 pm 
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I don't like how amber was voting aaarrrgh after having copped him.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:22 pm 
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But my best guess was that aaarrrgh was town and rubik introduced him in his discord and that was why they shot rubik as soon as they could, but why would rubik recruit him if he had amber giving a town result on him?
Aaarrrgh might just have lied on the order of recruitment, but if he did why did town not shot rubik asap?


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:26 pm 
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Amber's vote on me was motivated the same way most of my votes before yesterday were: with the assumption that we were supposed to look like town. She was getting ready to claim that she knew I was scum.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:39 pm 
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So you are willing believe that town could be recruited into the Mafia chat? I guess that could technically be possible. But as you yourself said, that would still be inconsistent. I think you either have to believe me fully or dismiss me completely.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:55 pm 
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The main problem, as has been pointed out, with what you've been asserting Arrgh is that none of it is verifiable. All you've been doing is saying, "Take a step back and think about how this should work."

The problem with that is you're gaming the mod by doing that (or outguessing the mod is the better way to put it). You're claiming access to the discord chat while also asserting other things that are not verifiable (like Amber being able to message while also using her investigate ability).

We don't know that Rubik couldn't invite just anyone (town included). The use of the messages, the frequency, would speak to the importance of being able to establish how well you can trust someone before investing in them like, say, you and Rag have done.

That's probably the only thing I have against you though as everything about Rag's approach just trumps you're unverified claims (aside from you being in Rag's corner, but hey you've drawn your line).

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 3:40 pm 
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Aaarrrgh wrote:
Amber's vote on me was motivated the same way most of my votes before yesterday were: with the assumption that we were supposed to look like town. She was getting ready to claim that she knew I was scum.

Uh,didn't you join the chat after amber died?


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 3:44 pm 
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Old messages stay in the chat, so I can read everything Amber and Rubik talked about.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 3:56 pm 
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Did they receive any message that they reported?


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 4:00 pm 
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She didn't mention anything in chat.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 4:31 pm 
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Can you give me a quick breaktrought of everything they discussed?


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 4:42 pm 
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First they talked a while about Zinger and if he was town or just bussing (which then got resolved pretty quickly when Zinger died). Rubik theorized that there could be more than one scum team (he still thought Mafia was scum at that point). They talked about the people who seemed like they had breadcrumbed, mentioning me, Rag, Tevish, and HW. Amber decided to investigate me, got Mafia sleeper result. They discussed tactics for Amber to defend herself, but she ended up being absent when he wagon really took off, so she didn't have time to decide on a defence before she was hammered. Rubik decided to recruit me based on Amber's cop result.

That's basically what happened.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:42 pm 
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His claim made him likely to be town as far as I was concerned.

Maybe you're getting hung up on the idea that just because I was constructing a three person team that that is what led to, in your eyes, me establishing CL as being "third likely" to be town. Really, as far as all the claims went, we had you and Arrgh more or less confirming each other which doesn't do much for me. Then Arrgh is talking about information that can't be confirmed. Finally CL claims to be a sleeper, but hasn't sent any messages. CL's claim came off as trying to fit in without having to verify himself.

Comparatively, CL came off as more likely, to me, to be town!maf due to the claim whereas you and Arrgh are a matter of connection through claimed messages. If the message mechanic is spread out over a variety of roles (some maf, some town, some with other abilities, others only having that ability), then I could just as easily be wrong about you two (though, again, with Arrgh claiming more unverifiable stuff, I'd think not).

In any event, CL was the one I made a deal to hit, and he certainly seemed likely to be town. Whether that likelihood is more or less compared to you and Arrgh is another matter entirely (one that I feel is probably closer to CL than to you and Arrgh, but it isn't something that can concretely be put down into numbers).


As a side note: You're using the whole "you could have ended the game by shooting" as a reason to condemn my action. I'm sure, as I said, that had I not shot you'd be using that fact (the fact that I didn't shoot CL like I claimed I would -- just as with Amber) against me right now.


I feel like it was pretty clear that yesterday you felt me and arrrgh were effectively solved as town and spent your efforts trying to find who the third person might be.

I wouldn't condemn a vig for not shooting when missing would mean the game would end.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:45 pm 
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Ps. Reminder that you will be advised if you are blocked, so aaarrrgh could not have been blocked ergo one of aaarrrgh and jd is scum.


@Naga:

As per the following rule, if a player were to hypothetically send a message to another player, but that message ultimately didn't end up being received for any reason, would they necessarily be informed?

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7. If an ability fails for any reason (roleblock, protection, etc.) the person using the ability will be told their ability failed, but not why.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:45 pm 
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also @Naga: Are we allowed to copy+paste the content of private chats?

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:46 pm 
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also also @Naga: Is it possible we could have a one or two day extension so that Neo has an opportunity to do anything before the day ends? I recall he said he would be gone until the end of the year, so hopefully that means he'll be back tomorrow.

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