I still don't want sky going over

maybe I'm wrong

gth town

well KoD was a neutral with some unknown goal so trying to figure out whether any of his reads were real or completely fabricated is kinda impossible

I wish we got roles on flips not just role names

sky why are we talking about the reads of a dead non-town who could have had a pro-scum wincon

like

from an NKA PoV he may be able to be considered town, but from a reads perspective without knowing his goal it's really dumb to put too much stock in something KoD said he believed unless you also believe it.

I don't THINK KoD was pro-scum and I mean I had the dude as top town but literally there's no way to know

also does JD telling Ex there can't be 3 mafia with 1 neutral and 8 town mean anything for Ex's alignment

like if he was scum and making that up when he knows there aren't would JD be less likely to clarify?

more likely?

should the host maybe not talk to avoid this becoming relevant?

up to you

personally I think since we're pretty unlikely to be in MyLo based on the OP there's not much point, especially given idt you go over here

save it for tomorrow imo

but if you think it's best to do so now I can't stop you

@Hello World I think there's good odds you just die today if you don't do something

so

do something

anyways

while it is true that we cannot rely on KoD's reads to be in our favor

and, furthermore, we also cannot make any sort of prediction into how far out of our favor they would be if they are not in our favor, meaning that trying to figure out what his reads mean in these cases is a wild goose chase

I think it's worth at least looking at what they were specifically because they are at least part of the reason he was killed, presumably

and so I'ma do that for a bit

on that note I wonder if KoD's wincon involved getting everybody to make promises or if that's something he just started pushing for from the start of the game just because

he did avoid my promise to not vote your partners tho

hmm

are we sure purple is not mafia

wait no he was almost certainly killed by mafia, a vig prolly woulda claimed a KoD shot

although he did say he was town-aligned when skystone asked

see look my fake may already be useful if he didn't have some clause in his role that made him unafraid of breaking it despite my claimed risk of death

KoD said Dark was not scum, silver was not a good D1 target and later on still slightly liked him by EoD2, Ex was much less towny than Dark, called me "practically conf town" and veto'd Ex's sus on me, didn't like HW (although this may be skewed by his wincon, potentially), was unsure on Laurentus, and did not like Ex but was willing to give him a temporary pass for the day (I don't think this is clearing for Ex just because he died)

Ex/HW is an easy world but certainly a possible one

lemme review Naga

well Naga was also anti-Rag

so lol

yeah as before he was like lightly anti-silver and that's about it other than mentioning HW, like, once

I think the right move here might just be to kill HW because I don't think we can afford to take that to endgame and just hope it's lurker scum

that being said Ex I'd very much like you to put yourself together and if you don't I can't say I'll still feel like HW is a better earlier kill

I only looked briefly and didn't see it - did he specifically say town? If so that would be covered by the rules as not mechanically breaking a promise. I remember there was a particular promise that really didn't seem viable to me and I asked Sky and KoD about it. That one? KoD agreed but said he thought it would be only because of your ability... since we now know that ability wasn't active / you didn't have it, it wouldn't have done anything. But since he knew he wasn't town, that would imply he never believed your ability would effect his promise anyway. Perhaps he had an ability that made him immune against broken promises? Or perhaps he even profited from them (there was at least one such role in the last game).


I think you (and everyone else) should claim when you have a risk of getting lynched (and don't wait as long as Goose), but don't see much gain otherwise. Unless it's something you feel will give us information to solve other mysteries in this game. Also consider though we likely don't have a doc left, so you might open yourself up to a night kill.




Having re-read the argument between Skystone and Laurentus, nothing in there struck me as particularly scummy. I see both HW and Ex as more appealing lynches today.

inclined to agree

I suspect, given the death of the doctor and the cop (i.e. both of the pro-town night roles that matter), that claiming is likely to be a net gain in most cases. In particular, though, Exlight and HW should claim.

I would also propose that we all undertake to make some variation of the following promise:

"I promise not to target other players (at night?) unless I either a) announce my target and intent accurately and in full in the game thread beforehand, or b) voted for myself on the previous day."

I am willing to accept refinements to this formulation if others think that this language might fall afoul of the alignment exception. (Though targeting is listed in the OP as a legitimate example of a promise.) But it seems unlikely to me that town has a sufficient number of powerful targeting roles remaining for this sort of promise to be disadvantageous.

A fun thought might be to make 4-5 variants of this sort of promise in the hope that we can explode scum in the event that they are forced to break them all simultaneously.


KoD's reads in of themselves are irrelevant now, yes (except insofar as we can descry his motivations). I was more concerned with Laurentus' interpretation of those reads, which struck (and still strikes) me as weak, though not necessarily (now) as scummy.