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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:17 am 
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I believe Tevish to be capable of this level of deception. But, my suspicion on LoS only grows. In my experience, he's not one to just "Forget" about a game at critical junctures. I said it way back when and I'll say it again: No matter how townie I can logically perceive LoS to be, his headvoice hasn't been town the entire game. It's been agressive at points where aggression isn't called for, and it's been practically jovial at points where it should be stressed the most. Now, I've admitted my headvoice reads of people have been absolutely terrible things to go on in the past, as seen by me practically tunneling a guy three games in a row until he forcibly changed his posting style when talking to me as a way to signal he was town, but that's neither here nor there.

At this point, I feel like Faerie is playing like any other player who's not used to the style of players found here. I don't consider her a huge threat at this particular juncture. Her willingness to pounce on me for voting zinger feels like it comes from a more town than scum mindset, and though I could explain that move, I don't feel like trying to put that entire thought process into words as that shift occurred days ago in a very textwally discussion with KoD that should have been updated to the thread as it happened but other things occurred that were a bit out of my control.


Your read is completely inaccurate because I'm not really invested in this game at all. I'm mostly here to fill in as a partner and most of my activity was talking to Dark on discord tbh.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:19 am 
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Wrt who goes over today... Tevish is the player who I currently don't really think has something redeeming right now?

If that flips town then I'll re-evaluate everyone.

Also a word wrt my ability: obviously I would never fake claim something that I can't prove, it's unfortunately a situational ability so I can't get much use out of it yet.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:22 am 
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Somebody want to give me a trustfall? Like, the strongest reason you have to townread every player right now?

That's a pretty good way to find misclears.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:26 am 
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The main reason for the above is that right now I think there's a lot of "let's just clear the person who did the most recent towny thing".

Because I mean like no offence but I should be 95% clear right now not in people's immediate PoEs (especially given that I always hypereffort my wolf games so activity is not a tell for me lol).


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:28 am 
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If you want to see activity from me, here's your time tbh. Case me on your strongest reads and give me your thoughts.

I'm interested why Dusky got no pressure yesterday despite being online after me and not breaking the tie. I don't scumread Dusky but at the same time I'm wondering why this is and why nobody seems to care?

And don't say it's because they voted CL because to be completely honest, CL was in zero real danger when Dusky voted there.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:30 am 
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Also if you want to see me go into the hype threadspam mode I promised, I'm willing to while I'm free. But I need someone to talk to tbh because I haven't focused enough on this game to have any super strong opinions that aren't "x persom has been vaguely towny".


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I think you're all forgetting that I was kind of responsible for moving the vote from KoD to CL? Like if I had just chosen to say "nah KoD is fine for today's vote" then CL would have lived for another day over CL and that would have been huge.

I don't think that clears you. You said this when there were ZERO votes on CL:
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I will switch to CL over KoD at this point. Faerie shouldn't go over though.

If you were mafia and know KoD is town, this could have been a nice, innocent sounding sentence for when he turns up town.
Then I immediately voted. So now you can't really NOT vote CL, because you just offered you would. That would have looked super scummy.
Does it mean you are scum? No, of course not. I just don't think it clears you, as you had little choice after offering to switch, and you could not possibily have guessed there would be such a last second swing. You say that swing can't prove I'm town, because CL was in zero danger there. I agree, but at the same time you say it should clear you... which I don't agree with. He was in more danger when I voted than when you announced your willingness to switch.


Oh and no I would not personally have bussed CL. I don't bus partners ever unless as a last resort. I can link a game where I hard defended my partner (who was gamethrowing and got banned after the game ended) even after he practically claimed wolf.

What I actually said was that CL is an easily bussable slot.


What you actually said was this:

With how lurky CL was I would have strongly considered a bus.

That sounds like something you would do...as you literally said you'd strongly consider it... not just that he is bussable.

Then you say you would never claim a role you can't prove, promptly following-up with saying unfortunately it's so situational you can't prove it now. :bored:



Silver did ask me about last day - not sure if you want to know more from me?

I know nothing about your meta, whether you like being town and how active you usually are, so I can't comment on that. But that fact that you are being so aggressive now with not much pressure (since we basically agreed to vote Tevish) is maybe towney?


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:39 pm 
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I think you're all forgetting that I was kind of responsible for moving the vote from KoD to CL? Like if I had just chosen to say "nah KoD is fine for today's vote" then CL would have lived for another day over CL and that would have been huge.

I don't think that clears you. You said this when there were ZERO votes on CL:
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I will switch to CL over KoD at this point. Faerie shouldn't go over though.

If you were mafia and know KoD is town, this could have been a nice, innocent sounding sentence for when he turns up town.
Then I immediately voted. So now you can't really NOT vote CL, because you just offered you would. That would have looked super scummy.
Does it mean you are scum? No, of course not. I just don't think it clears you, as you had little choice after offering to switch, and you could not possibily have guessed there would be such a last second swing. You say that swing can't prove I'm town, because CL was in zero danger there. I agree, but at the same time you say it should clear you... which I don't agree with. He was in more danger when I voted than when you announced your willingness to switch.


Oh and no I would not personally have bussed CL. I don't bus partners ever unless as a last resort. I can link a game where I hard defended my partner (who was gamethrowing and got banned after the game ended) even after he practically claimed wolf.

What I actually said was that CL is an easily bussable slot.


What you actually said was this:

With how lurky CL was I would have strongly considered a bus.

That sounds like something you would do...as you literally said you'd strongly consider it... not just that he is bussable.

Then you say you would never claim a role you can't prove, promptly following-up with saying unfortunately it's so situational you can't prove it now. :bored:



Silver did ask me about last day - not sure if you want to know more from me?

I know nothing about your meta, whether you like being town and how active you usually are, so I can't comment on that. But that fact that you are being so aggressive now with not much pressure (since we basically agreed to vote Tevish) is maybe towney?


Yeah I think I was exaggerating to prove a point initially because I have literally never bussed a teammate lol. Most recent two wolf games have both had one of my wolf mates be flat out outed as wolves from their first posts of the game and then me getting townread and hard hard town casing them as too wolfy to ever be wolves. I was saying stuff like "X can't be a wolf because their teammate would have bussed them already" and etc lol.

In reality, I would have wanted to bus CL but not gone through with it most likely. There are too many unfamiliar things and players who are incredibly paranoid of me for zero reason that I wouldn't want to go for a solo win.

Also as I said before: I would never bus a teammate and stop playing . That's an insult to the teammate tbh and I wpuld have let them bus me if that were the case. It's really bad form to bus and then waste that bus IMO.

Also no, I was under no obligation to move my vote from KoD. Even if I were, I could have just said I found something new I disliked about KoD's posting and just kept my vote. There's also a clear progression of my movement onto CL anyway tbh.

Silver also saw a wolf game I was in where I refused to bus either of my teammates.


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I'm more aggressive when I'm more invested. If I'm playing passively it's because I'm not trying lol.


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You know, in a mafia theory sort of sense, I'm kind of okay dying for the cause? Part of the point of town is that we can win while dead. That said, I know I would be a mislynch, so I'm still going to do my best to convince you folks that Prince Abooboo Smiles needs to go first. I can't allow to stand the fact that a big component of the push to resolve me rather than Smiles or Faerie (or "why is Silver set again?", though I have to admit he'd be a longshot) being, essentially, the fact that I didn't claim to be responsible for the doc event, leaving it on Smiles.

No one has claimed that. And especially with the recent flurry from Smiles not resolving that at all, I feel like the push to lynch me should be reevaluated.

Further, I don't think that suddenly appearing under little pressure is particularly Town, as Dusky had indicated. It's NAI at best, but I feel like the person most likely to jump at shadows would be, ya know, the one who at this point will lose if lynched anywhere in the next couple of days.

Lastly, Smiles, and there's probably not a lot of time left from this, you were Birdo's partner unless I've totally lost the plot, so you should be able to answer this: what's going to happen when I shoot off the Birdo Egg? As precisely as you can, please. I know it does little to confirm either of us, but it's rather important to me that you be able to do that.

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You know, in a mafia theory sort of sense, I'm kind of okay dying for the cause? Part of the point of town is that we can win while dead. That said, I know I would be a mislynch, so I'm still going to do my best to convince you folks that Prince Abooboo Smiles needs to go first. I can't allow to stand the fact that a big component of the push to resolve me rather than Smiles or Faerie (or "why is Silver set again?", though I have to admit he'd be a longshot) being, essentially, the fact that I didn't claim to be responsible for the doc event, leaving it on Smiles.

No one has claimed that. And especially with the recent flurry from Smiles not resolving that at all, I feel like the push to lynch me should be reevaluated.

Further, I don't think that suddenly appearing under little pressure is particularly Town, as Dusky had indicated. It's NAI at best, but I feel like the person most likely to jump at shadows would be, ya know, the one who at this point will lose if lynched anywhere in the next couple of days.

Lastly, Smiles, and there's probably not a lot of time left from this, you were Birdo's partner unless I've totally lost the plot, so you should be able to answer this: what's going to happen when I shoot off the Birdo Egg? As precisely as you can, please. I know it does little to confirm either of us, but it's rather important to me that you be able to do that.


I believe that the egg cracked open for Dark's ability and we got another item. In that case, I think it was a star?

Tbh if you're town you shouldn't just be ignoring my posts and doubling down on your plan because you're literally just going to cause us to lose? I've done nothing worth scumreading this game (low attentiveness to a game is not wolfy, especially not if you bothered to ask for my meta. I have posted 45 consecutive times as a wolf in a game because I was annoyed it was too inactive I don't have an activity tell lol), I made a crucial vote movement onto a wolf and then... did nothing about the super clearing bus that I apparently just made? If you are actually town here then you need to 1. Not consign yourself to dying because it has a solid chance of costing us the game tbh especially with your legacy being as bad as it is lol and 2. Stick your head out of the sand and work on this! It's obvious I'm town tbh and doubling down and losing the game like this will not help us at all. Just get to actually solving and if you're town you'll probably show that in the process.

Tbh part of the reason I don't really care about this game right now is that it feels like I'm actively fighting against everyone else instead of working with them. Like... please actually just read my posts and not just go "guess I'll die and kill this obvious villager because, urgh, relative inactivity?".


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:46 pm 
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I have already claimed my role anyway. A situational partner swapper. I originally exaggerated the strength of my role to try to draw a kill.


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And don't say my posts "aren't resolving at all" because nobody actually responded to them.

I'm obviously town at this point honestly and the one person who consistently defended was nightkilled (and Dark was actually a pretty weird kill might I add - don't think Dark was the most widely townread player alive by a long shot).

Too late to air these grievances now but if I felt like I was going to get anywhere with working with most of the players in this game I'd have tried harder lol. Well this is LyLo-1 so if anybody wanted to play the game that they are accusing me of being inactive in then I think this is a pretty good time to do that.


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So, in short, there's no answer to how Lakitu was called in as a hero on the board, and meanwhile the ability you claim to have is not dissimilar to what CL displayed when he hopped carts. This is a little conspiratorial, but CL was able to go and hop, the Racer's Dream ability I got manipulates position, and we were told that the game should care about the outcome of the racing. And yet, I believe the only claimed ability with a position component was from CL? Who was scum and is an even bigger bald-faced liar than I am? I'm starting to think that it's scum that overall cares about things like position and to a lesser extent partnering. Adding in partners there is the Yoshi ability I got earlier, but that cares who Yoshi's partner was, it doesn't mess with partnerships.

Given we're in a 11-man scenario, a decent design would probably give Scum decently strong roles with some unique play, and having the kart system as their racket would make sense.

Further, you brought up the kill of Darkstar as strange, citing his positive interactions with you. If Darkstar, Birdo, trusted you, I would expect he would have told you how at least the ability I got that generates Birdo Eggs worked. What is it called, LoS? What are the rules of the Birdo Egg? I asked you this directly before, and the reason is this: if Dark trusted and believed in you, he would naturally have shared a racing ability like one that manipulates items. After all, you have to coordinate item use to race well. If, on the other hand, Dark doubted you, maybe he played things a little closer to his chest. I still wouldn't, but you might well know before the thread that you were under fire, and be able to do something about it.

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EBWOP: Okay, sorry, I missed the line where you did answer. Partial credit, that at least approximates what it does as much as a partner might tell you.

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So, in short, there's no answer to how Lakitu was called in as a hero on the board, and meanwhile the ability you claim to have is not dissimilar to what CL displayed when he hopped carts. This is a little conspiratorial, but CL was able to go and hop, the Racer's Dream ability I got manipulates position, and we were told that the game should care about the outcome of the racing. And yet, I believe the only claimed ability with a position component was from CL? Who was scum and is an even bigger bald-faced liar than I am? I'm starting to think that it's scum that overall cares about things like position and to a lesser extent partnering. Adding in partners there is the Yoshi ability I got earlier, but that cares who Yoshi's partner was, it doesn't mess with partnerships.

Given we're in a 11-man scenario, a decent design would probably give Scum decently strong roles with some unique play, and having the kart system as their racket would make sense.

Further, you brought up the kill of Darkstar as strange, citing his positive interactions with you. If Darkstar, Birdo, trusted you, I would expect he would have told you how at least the ability I got that generates Birdo Eggs worked. What is it called, LoS? What are the rules of the Birdo Egg? I asked you this directly before, and the reason is this: if Dark trusted and believed in you, he would naturally have shared a racing ability like one that manipulates items. After all, you have to coordinate item use to race well. If, on the other hand, Dark doubted you, maybe he played things a little closer to his chest. I still wouldn't, but you might well know before the thread that you were under fire, and be able to do something about it.


If only scum cares about position then it's a good thing that I haven't used any items in the last couple of phases then.

After all, my role has no benefit from winning so I've allowed myself to drop back in case there are other town roles that benefit.


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Dark called me town locked multiple times but I'll go check exactly what was said about claims. I remember Dark claiming to me immediately as soon as they developed an initial TR on me though.


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Claim was an ability that makes it possible to get more items by hatching them out of birds eggs. One of Dark's eggs was used and we obtained a lightning rod (not a star my mistake). Dark asked me to take control of kat actions (which is pretty damn trusting because their entire role was to do with items) and insisted I was town locked repeatedly in the thread.


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Birds egg rules I don't know exactly, I just know the ability activation was inconsistent.

I also know that Dark's abilities were all passive.


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