whoops, sorry.
I intended to reject that anyway, since me and neo are in a dangerous dance.

As much as I think Rubik's standpoint is bull, it's not really inconsistent with last time he played as Resistance, and I'd like to raise the chances of round 1 ending.
1.3: Mown, Rubik

Rejected.

So far, the votes are pretty much as expected...My gut feeling is to vote no, since I'm not on this, but, I'm going to delay my vote for now.
I'd like to hear from Zinger and Tevish to see what teams they are thinking of, so we can all make the most informed decision on what team we want to send on mission one.

mission|leader|team|Rag|Neo|Mown|Zinger|Tevish|Squinty|Rubik|yeses|pass?|sabotages
1.1|Rag|Neo, Mown|{color=green}yes|{color=red}no|{color=green}yes|{color=red}no|{color=red}no|{color=red}no|{color=red}no|2|{color=red} no
1.2|Neo|Neo, Squinty|{color=green}yes|{color=green}yes|{color=yellow}default|{color=red}no|{color=red}no|{color=green}yes|{color=red}no|3|{color=red}no|
1.3|Mown|Mown, Rubik|

72 hours for the weekend.

I will be rejecting this team for the same reasons as the last, of course.

If I were leader right now, I'd send Myself and Zinger. I kinda like the cut of Zinger's jib.

The only team that I will ever approve, Neo, is a team with no spies on it. Simple enough for ya?

You sound really confident.

We don't need any of that dirty talk in here!

Now get back to punching bears!

~SE++

I think I've got 6 votes and less than a day left

[quote="razorborne"]mission|leader|team|Rag|Neo|Mown|Zinger|Tevish|Squinty|Rubik|yeses|pass?|sabotages
1.1|Rag|Neo, Mown|{color=green}yes|{color=red}no|{color=green}yes|{color=red}no|{color=red}no|{color=red}no|{color=red}no|2|{color=red} no
1.2|Neo|Neo, Squinty|{color=green}yes|{color=green}yes|{color=yellow}default|{color=red}no|{color=red}no|{color=green}yes|{color=red}no|3|{color=red}no|
1.3|Mown|Mown, Rubik|{color=green}yes|{color=red}no|{color=green}yes|{color=red}no|{color=red}no|{color=red}no|{color=green}yes|3|{color=red}no

Zinger, you have 48 hours to nominate.

also y'all should talk more.

I really don't like what Zinger is doing and I really hope it doesn't lose town the game. He's almost certainly either A. The record keeper who knows who the cult leader is (in which case he's making it easier for scum to find the cult leader), B. The cult leader himself (in which case he's drawing attention to himself), or C. The assassin using knowledge of who is town and who isn't to try to buddy up to people in hopes of finding the Cult Leader. In all three cases, I think what he's doing hurts town in some way. (If he's none of those 3 roles, what he's doing doesn't make any sense because as a vanilla scum he'd lack the information to trick the cult leader and as vanilla town, scum wouldn't bite because his guesses would probably be wrong.)

I think if anyone other than Zinger is the Record Keeper and they know that Zinger isn't the Cult Leader, they should claim and let us know. If someone does claim, we can make the assumption that zinger is scum. If no one claims that means he's one of those two roles (and, therefore, almost certainly town).

Any opinions on this line of thought? (No one claim just yet. I want opinions on whether or not people think this is a good idea, first.)

I'm not sure I agree with it. If you publicly out the bodyguard, the spies have that much better a chance of even blindly getting the cult leader. Andd even if we get a claim, it could be scum fakery should Zinger actually be the bodyguard or cult leader, resulting in nothing but a muddy mess for town in the case of a counterclaim.

Or of course scum could counterclaim to make even a "successful" situation a big mess.

In resistance, we don't get feedback like mafia does. Claiming is not particularly useful. Honestly, the best situation for town would be to pull a massive "I am spartacus!" where each player claims to be the bodyguard and that X is the cult leader, so the cult leader can know or at least narrow down who his or her allies are without tipping hand to the spies. But even that could screw us over.

My problem is, I feel like Zinger has already pretty much outed himself as one of the two (unless he's lying and he's assassin, which is the one situation where we benefit most heavily from counterclaiming him).

If he's not the assassin, he's basically just told scum "hey, either me or one of the people I'm agreeing with a bunch is probably the cult leader! try to guess which one!"

I think it's a really bad play from him and, if we can identify that he's not one of those two roles, we can use that fact to determine his alignment so we either have a player we can absolutely trust or a player we know never to include on a mission.

If he's a town role, we can extract that the people he is against using in a team are probably bad people. If he gets counterclaimed, we eliminate the assassin and we still have a pretty decent chance of him misfiring (he should have closer to a 1/3 chance of hitting the leader). If someone falsely counterclaims him, the real person can counterclaim the false counterclaim and we still probably come out ahead.

And if no one steps forward? What then?

We assume Zinger is one of those two, that he is informed. We CONFIRM to the scum that they've got good information, that Zinger isn't just particularly bold.

Which, if you've played Mafia with Zinger, you know he is. He is bold and self-assured as either faction. He's the sort who doesn't have to be informed to be decisive. It's metagamey, but I don't think we can rule out uninformed bear-puncher.

And even if you assume he's playing 100% rationally, I have NO idea why you're ruling out non-assassin Spy. All spies know all other spies but two spies don't know which of the other two is their assassin. This was confirmed on thread when I was confirmed earlier. He could totally be a generic spy. He'd know who's town and who's not, and the same gambit you placed for assassin would help his assassin buddies.

But I think it's far too likely he's just a confident neighborhood bear puncher to risk outing power roles over it.

I think your ideas are stupid and very anti-town. Asking for a claim in a game where there is an assassin who could win the game by figuring out who the leader is? Dumb. Very very dumb.

Also, I have a nomination to make so stop distracting me with dumb anti-town argument-fuelling debates that could easily have waited until after my turn to nominate was over and done with.

Please people with roles, don't listen to Rubik. Nobody should come forward. The very notion that they should is as dumb as dumb gets.

Unless you're a spy. If you are a spy and want to turn yourself in, that is acceptable.

Now if we're done debating silly, ridiculous, anti-town sentimentalities, let's get on with our mission, shall we?

Squinty! Grab your gun. We got some Imperialist scumbags to shoot up.

Team: Squinty and Myself.

But I want to punch bears, not shoot things. Ah well, I'm in.

~SE++

mission|leader|team|Rag|Neo|Mown|Zinger|Tevish|Squinty|Rubik|yeses|pass?|sabotages
1.1|Rag|Neo, Mown|{color=green}yes|{color=red}no|{color=green}yes|{color=red}no|{color=red}no|{color=red}no|{color=red}no|2|{color=red} no
1.2|Neo|Neo, Squinty|{color=green}yes|{color=green}yes|{color=yellow}default|{color=red}no|{color=red}no|{color=green}yes|{color=red}no|3|{color=red}no|
1.3|Mown|Mown, Rubik|{color=green}yes|{color=red}no|{color=green}yes|{color=red}no|{color=red}no|{color=red}no|{color=green}yes|3|{color=red}no
1.4|Zinger|Zinger, Squinty|

48 hours to vote y'all