Why wait? Question rule people. Question rule. Anyways, that number isn't supposed to be hidden. And Ex wasn't part of the original design. And it'd be nice to say I took him into account and math'd correctly but that would only be half right and there are just some days I don't math well. Look at the game as 1/4 of 13 but discount Ex, rounded up.

Don't do math kids. Not even once.

I'm mathing this as 3 is 25% of 12, plus Ex. So, with Dusky as self aligned we are looking for two scum.

Except JD is saying he math'd wrong. So I think by "disregard Ex", he means there are 13/4 (round up)=4 non-town, PLUS Ex. So we could still be looking at 3 scum.

All that means is we have a higher chance of lynching scum.

Did you miss the part where 3 scum right now = MyLo? Sus, it was directed right at you.

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No, I didn't miss anything about the conversation. Whether 2 or 3 remaining scum, it doesn't change who I suspect.

i mean me making no promises essentially vanilla-ized myself from my perspective
as far as i can tell, of claimed abilities (zinger's promise-cop, rag's protection, monster's protection, naga's promise..thing?), none would interact with me unfavourably as all of those are promises made on someone else's end and thus wouldn't be auto-broken by my ability (with the possible exception of rag's protection, but i don't really know the exact wording or mechanics of that role so i can't say for sure)
i considered mentioning it d1 but figured that i could just play vanilla and not make promises instead
i'll agree that it's probably something that would have been good to mention earlier, but as it is i think it was fairly harmless (though that's something i'd naturally say, so take that with a grain of salt or three)

i think lynching today in mylo is probably the better move tbh; i'm not sure that 1 more night phase is going to give us that more info unless someone can figure out a way to hard confirm someone overnight, and if there's a possible second nk somewhere i don't know if we can risk going into night without lynching and then just straight losing to a second nk out of nowhere

tbh im pretty down to just full send on monster or something, it's probably better to hit someone with actual interaction and if we didn't miss it'll be hopefully easier to get the rest of the team from there
is it massclaim time?

Hold on.

I've been withholding information while trying to puzzle out who to hit. I think I've narrowed it down just a tad.

Monster drew my attention because of her mention that she targeted Zinger. It is curious that her protection failed more so than her still being alive. After all, if she is honest about being a doctor that can self protect, maf would risk taking a chance on her and missing out on a nk if she self protected. The flip to that is she is lying as maf and killing while claiming to protect.

Here is the rub though: Why Zinger? Not as a kill, but as a claimed target for her ability. As maf she could have easily claimed anyone else that wouldn't have been a hot topic. That lends to her credibility of being town.

But if she is honest, why the failed protection? Well, that throws back to Dusky. As self, she lost when all she had to do was not break any promises. Ergo, Dusky, unwillingly, broke a promise. Why unwillingly? Because she obv never killed me. As far as we all know, that's the only promise she made. On top of that, Monster said her role implied the existence of abilities that can break promises. Why trust Monster though?

Because all of my promises were broken when my other pinky was cut off by the damage that did so.

I am unable to make promises, and any promises I had are gone. Two nights in a row someone targeted me to cut my pinkies, and the end result is this.

That accounts for one mafia member.

Another is whoever targeted Dusky. Now here is the thing. Perhaps because Dusky was Eternal Vow, the promise being broken is what killed her as part of her role. It explains why she has a L as opposed to a W like Ex has. It potentially explains the lack of another kill.

That would leave the third mafiate to be making kills in place of an ability potentially.




Course, again, the only issue I have still with Monster is that Zinger, based on her claim, would've had to have broken a promise willingly in order for the protection to fail. Course, since we have no confirmation about the ability used on Dusky, the reasonable explanation is that that ability was coupled with the NK to produce a strong-arm effect on the kill possibly.

Course my paranoia cautions me about Monster because, again, part of the reason I focused hard on her was due to her bringing up my pinky and my promise to Zinger. Only the mafia would know about the pinky ability and it breaking the promises the target made. Whether that had a side effect on Zinger, I don't know -- granted it would still be an unwilling effect on Zinger's part.

So yeah, solving Monster is a bit hard atm, but there is a lot of interaction. Too much for scum to be safe imo.

That's why if we go forward with a lynch, which we more than likely should, it should be on someone that is less well known. That is, someone among: Skystone, Arrgh, and maybe Goose.

St this point we know the least about these three as far as I can recall. Claim-wise we've got nothing from them I believe as well as myself (Amber has made a claim which is in-line with her actions in thread and thus believable).

If I were to throw down on voting right now, I'd say Arrgh is the safest bet as only a small number of players have commented on him to include Goose and Skystone if im not mistaken.

Just because I know time is ticking, I'm up in the air about either Arrgh or Skystone.


Arrgh because of the stuff earlier with Zinger and me during D2 (not to mention him being locked onto Tevish for most of the game).

Skystone because he's literally townie as far as I can tell. Yes, I know that's weird to read. Point being, if there is a deep wolf, it's probably Skystone.


Course, if we're looking at a 3 man scum team, chances are both could possibly be on that team. That said, I think I've convinced myself that Arrgh is the best compromise lynch. It's not a lynch on Monster who MAYBE could be scum playing real risky, and it isn't a lynch on Skystone who seems too safe to be town.


Consider my unofficial vote to be on Arrgh as of now. As we get closer to deadline, I'll place my vote on him.

I was not locked onto Tevish! I was pushing Tevish, and then you forced me to lock onto Ex! I would most likely have moved away from Tevish anyway, you just never gave me the option! We had specifically said that Rag flipping town should not put Tevish above suspicion, and I followed up on that. I genuinely don't see why that became such an issue.

It became an issue because of what Zinger pointed out. Allow me to refresh your memory:

That entire exchange is what cast you in suspicious light. You were locked onto Tevish and even Nader voted there at the end of D1 as opposed to voting for Rag or for Ex to avoid a Rag lynch. You were even attempting to focus on Tevish again D2 until you thoroughly got bullied by both Zinger and I into promising to vote and keep your vote on Ex.

Your reaction, hesitation, and hedging wrt to all of that made you a serious contender for being possible scum in my eyes and, more than likely, in Zinger's as well. Zinger being offed took out a guaranteed vote against you in the coming day/s. There's no way his death was random. It had meaning.

Lucky for me I had the pleasure of being your scum mate recently. You are definitely not the type to take charge and lead (even if you are the don). You will seek out the opinions of others and go from there based on what they suggest. My guess is you got paired with someone who certainly doesn't mind grabbing hold of the reigns.

*Looks between Skystone and Monster.*

Tell me, how close to being right am I, Arrgh?

I am always a cautious player, regardless of alignment. I don't make quick decisions, and I look at my options. As I already said, there were two players who hadn't even posted D2 at the time when you forced me to lock my voice in. To me, that's not the time to make that kind of commitment. And you cannot change my mind about that. If you want to kill me for having a different playstyle than you, I guess I can't stop you.

No, not cautious. You lurk as any alignment, but you are certainly more vocal as a town player compared to when you are mafia.

You clearly made those statements regarding Tevish during D2. There is no argument over that. The issue was your hesitation. Again, as Zinger said you didn't refuse me, nor did you accept, or offer a counter arrangement. You were hedging. Possibly getting opinions on what to do since, as you said, my proposed arrangement would have forced you to act earlier than you would have liked.

Speaking of, nothing has changed with Tevish. What has changed is the people that have died. Somewhere along the way, you even changed your mind over Tevish. Tevish, for his part, hasn't done anything major past D1 other than giving his impressions.

Kind of odd. Your progression that is. Don't you agree? I mean, part of your hedging D2 was how much you preferred Tevish as your lynch target despite not really receiving any support. Possibly because it'd link you to someone.


Nothing about you really sits right. That's why Zinger was a target for removal. Not necessarily at your suggestion. I imagine whoever is pseudo-leading your trope is the one who made that calculated decision. Probably the same person who suggested not hitting Monster, maybe, so as to not waste a NK potentially.

Winkie face @Arrgh.

I feel some people are not rocking the boat on purpose. Arrgh is a good start of a lynch if there was one. I'm not sure on deadline time, but it's best to get Arrgh out now before either I or someone agreeable to my position/s gets killed next.


Vote: Arrgh

The post you are quoting was an early reaction before I had considered what the promise would mean in conjunction with my NLP. I guess I had a subconscious inkling that it would be bad on a meta-level, but I hadn't quite figured it out yet. I still think you are a bully, though, so I stand by that statement even if it no longer is my main reason for refusing to make the promise.

You quite literally said, in that post, that part of the reason you were refusing to make that promise was due to not knowing the ramifications of making promises. Even innocent looking ones like that.

That, despite the fact that numerous people throught D1, myself included, made promises with no visible effect other than what was stated by players wrt to their roles (like Monster being able to protect someone that hasn't willfully broken a promise).

So yeah, excuse me if I don't buy what you're selling. Especially since that was your response to Zinger of all things.

Can you provide a good reason why you shouldn't be lynched over anyone else today?

And no, me being a bully doesn't count as a reason. As if I could force you to do anything Mr. "I don't want to be focused for a lynch so I better do what he wants".