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Garen
Ok, if it is what I'm thinking for sure, then you're the scum Garen.
The repossession obviously had to retarget if you're not going after Scar and voting me, and I'm not the possessed one today.
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Minish_Link on 08/02/2020 No one is gonna hold a grudge over a mafia game.
ExLight hahaha stares at KoD
Zinger209908 you are in a better position than you were before KoD saved you from yourselves you should thank him before he kills himself with his hail marry here
funnier6 Also for goodness sake you know KoD could argue until he had sucked all the air in the room and was suffocating on the floor
shadowamber you gotta admit the bus gifs were kinda funny though
Joined: Aug 05, 2014 Posts: 6083 Location: Here. Always.
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Vote: Garen
Scar, be very careful trusting Garen here and now. We were wrong about the linearity of the possession, and I'd rather town not lose this game due to faulty thinking here and now.
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Minish_Link on 08/02/2020 No one is gonna hold a grudge over a mafia game.
ExLight hahaha stares at KoD
Zinger209908 you are in a better position than you were before KoD saved you from yourselves you should thank him before he kills himself with his hail marry here
funnier6 Also for goodness sake you know KoD could argue until he had sucked all the air in the room and was suffocating on the floor
shadowamber you gotta admit the bus gifs were kinda funny though
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Pointless? How is it pointless?
The fact you just cleared Scarlet tells us beyond a shadow of doubt that the possessions are not linear like we were thinking yesterday. In all reality that means you are just as likely to be scum as I am, and hiding behind our previous thoughts about how possession worked (when they were flawed) isn't enough to clear you.
You are right about one thing though. It is certainly up to Scar to choose.
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Minish_Link on 08/02/2020 No one is gonna hold a grudge over a mafia game.
ExLight hahaha stares at KoD
Zinger209908 you are in a better position than you were before KoD saved you from yourselves you should thank him before he kills himself with his hail marry here
funnier6 Also for goodness sake you know KoD could argue until he had sucked all the air in the room and was suffocating on the floor
shadowamber you gotta admit the bus gifs were kinda funny though
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Except possession has never been retained. Ever. Kill people. Don't kill people. NOTHING has allowed possession to be retained. My math from yesterday was perfect and it remains as such today.
We're done here.
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If these were normal circumstances, then I would agree, but these are not normal. Originally we thought possessions were linear. That's obviously not true. On top of that, as was evident with Eli, there was no way to ***choose*** to stay possessed. That doesn't mean you couldn't have been retargeted for possession. Or are you going to tell me that that isn't possible?
There was no math yesterday except for what Scar spoke of. What we spoke of was a game plan based on faulty assumptions. It never accounted for the possibility that the same person could be possessed in a row.
So I fail to see how we're done here.
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Minish_Link on 08/02/2020 No one is gonna hold a grudge over a mafia game.
ExLight hahaha stares at KoD
Zinger209908 you are in a better position than you were before KoD saved you from yourselves you should thank him before he kills himself with his hail marry here
funnier6 Also for goodness sake you know KoD could argue until he had sucked all the air in the room and was suffocating on the floor
shadowamber you gotta admit the bus gifs were kinda funny though
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It's more like I'm doing you a favor by vocally arguing this with you. Normally I'm sure Scar wouldn't think about something if it is never mentioned. Similar to how Numbers brought up a scenario Scar hadn't considered. In this case, there is something Scar hasn't considered and if there is one thing I'm sure of it is that Scar can and will do the math to go with the more likely choice.
If I were you, I wouldn't play it so cooly.
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Minish_Link on 08/02/2020 No one is gonna hold a grudge over a mafia game.
ExLight hahaha stares at KoD
Zinger209908 you are in a better position than you were before KoD saved you from yourselves you should thank him before he kills himself with his hail marry here
funnier6 Also for goodness sake you know KoD could argue until he had sucked all the air in the room and was suffocating on the floor
shadowamber you gotta admit the bus gifs were kinda funny though
Joined: Oct 30, 2013 Posts: 7305 Location: England
Actually I do have a question - though it's for Scarlet.
Scarlet, you've been saying during this game that you are vanilla - that you possess no ability. Is this still true? I have a theory that you do have an ability; that you are immune to possession. I fully expected for this day to start and that KoD's name would be the one in my PM. You are the only one who hasn't been possessed up to this point after all. So are you immune to possession?
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Scar claimed honest archaeologist during one of the previous days. I think it was D3 since I claimed following him and someone else claimed as well.
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Minish_Link on 08/02/2020 No one is gonna hold a grudge over a mafia game.
ExLight hahaha stares at KoD
Zinger209908 you are in a better position than you were before KoD saved you from yourselves you should thank him before he kills himself with his hail marry here
funnier6 Also for goodness sake you know KoD could argue until he had sucked all the air in the room and was suffocating on the floor
shadowamber you gotta admit the bus gifs were kinda funny though
Scar, be very careful trusting Garen here and now. We were wrong about the linearity of the possession, and I'd rather town not lose this game due to faulty thinking here and now.
There is no 'we' here.
I did the math yesterday at the end of day when I voted Eli. I calculated that repossession should be possible, or else the game could stop at the end of N2.
@Garren: I believe I was the first to claim the archeologist and use that word (vanilla). As far as I know I have no other ability. But based on my calculations, this situation was always a possibility.
@Both: Like I said earlier, it is mostly a guess on the theory. And I mentioned my thoughts earlier. I believe in repossession, but find it less likely that the same person goes twice in a row.
Vote: KoD
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A majority has been reached. KingofDominaria has been lynched. He was the: Possessed Killer.
Darkness comes... Day 6 breaks... Garren_Windspear learns that GobO_Scarlet is not possessed. No lynch... Darkness comes... Day 7 breaks... The doorway is open revealing your way home.
Congratulations, you have escaped! Town has won!
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!FAQ! 0. Can you tell me how [blank] works? No; but now I can!
1. How does possession work? Firstly, I told nobody anything other than they were possessed, and sent them a link to a mysterious chat. Possession rotated at the end of every night. It was pseudo-random, specifically, it was random, but the same person couldn't be the same possessed role twice in a row. NOTE: You could be possessed twice in a row, but you wouldn't have the same role. While possession switching wasn't dependent on anything, I had NeoSilk provide me with two random numbers every night, to act as seeds. That combined with my own random number provided which person would be possessed with which role.
Each day, they would learn that they "felt different" and were no longer possessed.
As mentioend earlier, if possessed did something that won them the game, "THEY" would win the game, not the next generation. I was originally going to do that, but zinger told me that was too jerky (and really I didn't need to be told that, i realized it too) and changed it quickly.
Now, part of balancing was timing everything that the possessed killer kills someone, but if that person was set to be possessed the following day, they would die as possessed.
There was a mistake here, one I brought up with Zinger. After day 2, I realized that technically this was unfair (because now they were potentially losing as possessed even though they really weren't). I suggested that I remove the they remain possessed, and simply have the possession not occur and "die" that way. Zinger mentioned that I shouldn't change the rules mid-game and just to remember in the future. Sure it would be upsetting, but consistency is priceless. I agreed, and thankfully it never happened.
2. The Set up There was: 1 Blood Cultist (NeoSilk) 1 Psychic (Garren_Windspear) 1 Dark Seer (15733) 1 Role Blocker (Niklor) 1 Medic (Lilan/Rubik) 4 Vanilla (GobO_Scarlet, KingofDominaria, Elijin, Popular Pariah) and 2 Possessed (1 Vanilla, 1 Killer)
My personal favorite was Lilan/Rubik's starting role (they were randomly chosen to start possessed) with Possessed Medic Killer.
3. How the roles worked?
Roles:
Blood Cultist == NeoSilk Victory Condition: You must escape; and the curse must remain active (there must people at least one person whom is possessed). Ability(ies): You know that in order to escape, there must be a complete cycle (day and a night) where nobody dies. The tunnel opens the following morning. Each night, you send me two random numbers. You cannot be possessed. Each night you are linked with whomever is possessed that night.
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Honest Psychic == Garren_Windspear Victory Condition: Eliminate the curse. Any town escapes. Ability: Each night I will tell you one person at random who isn't possessed (if possible, I will not duplicate an answer).
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Honest Role Blocker == Niklor Victory Condition: Eliminate the curse. Any town escapes. Ability: Each night you may negate a players role if they have a physical role. Example: You can stop a killer; but you can't stop a psychic.
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Honest Medic == Lilan/Rubik Victory Condition: Eliminate the curse. Any town escapes. Ability: Each night you can choose one person. If that person would die, they stay alive one more day. (That person continues to stay alive as long as you pick them, and people know that that person was targeted by the killer.)
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Honest Dark Seer == 15377 Victory Condition: Eliminate the curse. Any town escapes. Ability: Each night, you can choose one person and see their actions.
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Honest Archaeologist == x4 Victory Condition: Eliminate the curse. Any town escapes. Ability: -none-
As such, Blood Cultist was more of a neutral role. Possessed were the mafia roles. Honest were the town roles. As usual, I picked my role names carefully to make some questions arise about how they functioned
There were a few mistakes here. First, NeoSilk's wincon is supposed to be one OR the other, not "and." (Sorry Neo) Second, Garren is not supposed to self-target. I was doing that, but didn't state it, and it almost caused some issues that last night.
I have class coming up so it will be a while before I post the other day possession chats.
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My favorite plays: Day 1: NeoSilk never posted in Possession Chat. Day 2: Neither possessed used their real names in the chat. Every post trying to figure out how possession works
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My question to you guys, what did you think? I wanted to do a game where people had to change their plans sporadically, and then again a day later. I wanted to test how people changed on a whim. I already know GobO_Scarlet isn't happy with that, but let me know how you think the game went, what I shold change in the future, whether you liked the setup etc.
And feel free to ask any other questions. Everyone is welcome to post here again!
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Oh, and yes to escape, There must be a Day then a Night with no deaths... simple as that. Thus if you played only the mafia game part, eventually you would've escaped.
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squinty_eyes: Alt, you have fantastic logic. And zero political prowess. CKY: Through a convoluted series of events involving three tons of garden gnomes and a pickup truck, Henderson’s Magikarp defeats the Deoxys terrorizing the city.
Oh, and for a larger game I had the following roles in store... And for those brave souls... here is the horrendous stricly copy and pasted chats... I will edit them to make them neater later, but at the very least you have the raw data...
NOTE: You have been warned. Also, read them bottom to top. Like I said... raw data
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Delete Day One is over. Night One is about to begin. Refrain from posting here please. 14 Popular PariahPerson was signed in when posted 06-21-2015 06:53 PM ET (US) Sup. 13 Rubik 06-20-2015 04:25 PM ET (US) Hi 12 Popular PariahPerson was signed in when posted 06-20-2015 01:49 PM ET (US) Hey man. 11 Rubik 06-19-2015 10:49 PM ET (US) I am Rubik, and Rag is also part of me.
Can't believe I'm stuck with this joker... 10 Popular PariahPerson was signed in when posted 06-17-2015 08:01 PM ET (US) Or at least I assume I'm mafia. 9 Popular PariahPerson was signed in when posted 06-17-2015 08:00 PM ET (US) Who is my mafia teammate? 8 Popular PariahPerson was signed in when posted 06-15-2015 12:49 PM ET (US) pffft 7 altimisPerson was signed in when posted 06-15-2015 08:30 AM ET (US)
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Another Guest 06-30-2015 05:39 PM ET (US) I'm just so bad at this game. At least, I am when I'm scum. 20 Another Guest 06-30-2015 05:36 PM ET (US) Damn...well, my guess was that you are Eli...P2 I think I was just lynched... 19 Guest 06-30-2015 03:56 PM ET (US) This day is taking a drastic swing. Might even get a no lynch. 18 Guest 06-29-2015 10:08 PM ET (US) That's definitely something I intend to bring up tomorrow. Tad hard to discuss openly without being lynched. 17 Another Guest 06-29-2015 09:03 PM ET (US) Well, here's my worry. There were 2 possessed people yesterday, and one died. Why are there still two of us? Concerns me a bit 16 Guest 06-29-2015 05:14 PM ET (US) Perhaps its time to discuss sharing information? If nothing else, come nightfall, we should show our cards so we can have a town to work with tomorrow. 15 Another Guest 06-29-2015 04:57 PM ET (US) I'm here. There's not much that I can say without you knowing who I am or me knowing who you are. I think having no lynch is going to be unlikely, but we can hope 14 Guest 06-29-2015 04:31 PM ET (US) You still touching base here, or have I got the place to myself? 13 Guest 06-28-2015 02:13 PM ET (US) I wonder if we're actively working against each other there, due to not revealing ourselves here. 12 altimisPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2015 10:12 AM ET (US)
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Delete I do not feel that it is fair for me to answer that question here. I will answer it in the game thread. 11 Another Guest 06-27-2015 04:23 AM ET (US) altmis, does the day end when the majority is hit, or is there time to unvote after majority, but before the deadline? 10 Another Guest 06-26-2015 12:15 PM ET (US) That sounds like a good plan to me. Do whatever we can to make sure no one dies, and boom! 9 Guest 06-26-2015 11:47 AM ET (US)
So long as no individual player takes too much heat, we can work out the exact cutoff for voting, then unvote seconds before. Then Alt has to honor that any posts or vote changes after the cutoff are void, and we win. 8 Another Guest 06-26-2015 09:52 AM ET (US) Well, I think it's clear that, if we can force a no-lynch today, we'll win. Just not sure if that can be done at this point. 7 Guest 06-25-2015 05:05 PM ET (US) Well, I spose at this point, some decisions need to be made.
If this game's possession rotation moves forward upon a kill being ordered, we have to decide whether to try play it out maintaining our scum status and walking the path less violent. Otherwise there's a chance the possession cycle will rotate every night, in which case we're going to be shown the door back to townsville. Both of these assume you're also scum, and not a currently unknown party with the ability to see in here.
Either way, the lines between town and scum are blurred here, so there's not much to stop either of us leading the town by the nose to the other, then hoping to converted back to town next night cycle, with one less scum. Assuming you're scum, which Im not 100% sold on, since this QT is generically named, and two of us in here implies there were 3 scum to begin with. Which conflicts with information already presented within the main game. Which could reveal a liar back there, or fishy business in here. 6 altimisPerson was signed in when posted 06-25-2015 04:01 PM ET (US)
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Delete I'm gonna have to give you guys some kudos for being creative. Not bad. I was not expecting this. 5 Another Guest 06-25-2015 01:20 PM ET (US) This is my first trip to any board this game. And yeah, seeing someone claim scum one day, and not the next does not increase my trust here. 4 Guest 06-25-2015 11:34 AM ET (US) Seems the potential for a rotating roster of scum, doesnt breed trust among scum.
Are you fresh scum, or have you been here since the opening of the game? 3 Another Guest 06-25-2015 09:26 AM ET (US) Depends on who you are? 2 Guest 06-25-2015 04:52 AM ET (US) Is there actually a second player, or do I get a QT to myself? 1 altimisPerson was signed in when posted 06-23-2015 07:41 PM ET (US)
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Delete The world is a dark, cold, cruel place. 11 KoD 07-05-2015 09:38 PM ET (US) Know what is even more horrendous than losing something?
Doctor Who's new season not being shown yet. 10 altimisPerson was signed in when posted 07-05-2015 05:12 PM ET (US)
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Delete Ouch...
Following our apparent theme: Leaving your book in class, after mocking whomever left that book behind, is pretty horrendous (especially if it was your book you were referring to).
... I don't wanna talk about it 9 Zinger2099 07-05-2015 04:19 PM ET (US) Losing your phone and wallet in a fire is also horrendous, while we're on the subject of horrendous things that are unrelated to Mafia. 8 KoD 07-04-2015 10:14 AM ET (US) Know what else is horrendous? Not reading my Inbox. 7 altimisPerson was signed in when posted 07-04-2015 09:39 AM ET (US)
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Delete I can definitely talk, but I can't give any hints, advice, assistance, ideas, or pretty much anything you probably want to talk about regarding a mafia game.
The weather, however, is horrendous 6 KoD 07-04-2015 05:27 AM ET (US) I seriously wonder if I could convince people to no lynch today. Arguing against Numbers is the hard part, and if Scar joins his side? Oh joy. 5 KoD 07-04-2015 12:42 AM ET (US) No wait, you could give me ideas which would not be fair. Nvm. I'm cursed to be alone until this day ends. 4 KoD 07-04-2015 12:42 AM ET (US) alt, will you at least talk to me here? I got nothing to do except bullsh*t my way through the day now. 3 KoD 07-04-2015 12:23 AM ET (US) CURSE MY INABILITY TO CHECK MY MESSAGES! I JUST WANTED TO ARGUE WITH NUMBERS! 2 KoD 07-04-2015 12:21 AM ET (US) GDI, NOOOOOOOOO! 1 altimisPerson was signed in when posted 06-30-2015 06:21 PM ET (US)
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Delete For the sake of time, you can send your target to me via this chat if any. 12 Mr W 07-12-2015 07:39 PM ET (US) Fair enough. Then my path is clear. 11 altimisPerson was signed in when posted 07-12-2015 07:36 PM ET (US)
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Delete That is something that I cannot clarify. I didn't clarify for anyone else, I will not clarify it for you.
Yes, in hidnsight, I feel this is slightly dickish, I apologize, but I need to play fair for everyone. I do have a decision on this, but I cannot share that information with you unfairly.
That said, choose wisely. 10 Mr W 07-12-2015 06:54 PM ET (US) So If I kill someone this night that puts town in an unwinnable situation. Will I win then (as scum) or will it go onto the next day (with Scarlet winning as scum).
Or is this something you can not tell? 9 altimisPerson was signed in when posted 07-12-2015 12:59 AM ET (US)
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Delete All I can defintely say is that it is true for the current dau. 8 Mr W 07-11-2015 09:55 PM ET (US) Night phase or day phase? Or both? 7 altimisPerson was signed in when posted 07-11-2015 09:10 PM ET (US)
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Delete One thing I can point out, that is if you do die, you die as possessed, not as town. 6 Mr W 07-11-2015 08:56 PM ET (US) Fair enough. I'm probably not going to do it unless my death looks to be coming up anyway so I can claim it was a noble self-sacrifice for the good of the team. Only losers die so there team can win. Winner survive and enjoy their victory - even if they are the only ones left to do so. 5 altimisPerson was signed in when posted 07-11-2015 08:45 PM ET (US)
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Delete I can't sway you in any decision. It must purely be your own. However, nobody knows how possession works but me and Zinger. As such, you must make your decision based on what you know, and what you think you know. Do not involve me or zinger. (Sorry).
I do have an opinion of your course of action, but I cannot nor will not say until the game has come to a close. 4 Mr W 07-11-2015 06:31 PM ET (US) Would you be opposed to self-termination for the benefit of town? If I am simply going to slip back to being a good guy tomorrow it seems the most appropriate course of action. Or would that be considered in poor taste as far as your game is concerned? I mean if I don't die town wins anyway regardless. 3 altimisPerson was signed in when posted 07-10-2015 10:51 AM ET (US)
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Delete I'm here. I can't say if anyone else is or not. 2 Mr W 07-10-2015 12:11 AM ET (US) Is there anyone else in here? Am I truly all alone now? 1 altimisPerson was signed in when posted 07-07-2015 08:51 PM ET (US)
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squinty_eyes: Alt, you have fantastic logic. And zero political prowess. CKY: Through a convoluted series of events involving three tons of garden gnomes and a pickup truck, Henderson’s Magikarp defeats the Deoxys terrorizing the city.
GG Garren for being generous and giving town the win when he could have taken it for himself
This.
Still wondering what the deal was with Night 2 Alt. Did KoD get the chance to kill or not? Apparently both Eli and KoD were being truthful at that time (since Garren was the one possessed), but there is still an inconsistency there. That's pretty much what lead me to voting Eli.
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