@Garren: No he didn't. Numbers doesn't think he is a good townie at all. He does his own thing too much. But he still strives to do right by the town even if he is doing his own thing.

Also, if you'd note the below expansions, Numbers reads aren't always the alignment numbers considers people to be. Take Garren for example. Garren is scum read 100% of the time. Numbers doesn't feel this makes Garren scum 100% of the time though.

Also I'm pretty sure deadline is passed.

@PopPa: You can see why I scum read Garren 100% of the time now, right?

Yeah, it totally makes sense now.


I don't know if deadline passed and I know voting him doesn't really matter either way, but yeah.

Fixed that for ya! Also thanks for the vote. I was beginning to feel left out for minute there.


Then what is the nine hell is the point in you even posting your reads? Just get the carp outta the way on day one if they're always going to be the same. Same us all the time and effort of bothering to read them.


I'm pretty sure the deadline is like 9 hours away or something. I don't know I only glanced at a world clock for like a second. Either way might as well just chat until razor tells us to shut up.

Quite a few huge issues with this post.

The first is that you assume that it's okay to stop caring. From what I can tell, town is not actually close to losing, and we've only lost a few townies. It's only Day 2, and you're already acting like the game is over. What makes you so certain?

Secondly, even if you're right, that doesn't excuse your behavior. Town always has a nonzero chance of winning the game, for as long as the gaming is going on, and the more players who stop caring, the less likely town is to win(unless those players are mafia, in which case it doesn't tell us anything).

Third, you're assuming that reads are the determinant of thoughts towards players. They are not. Reads are simply how a person FEELS to you, and in many cases how a person feels to you and what you think they are are different. Envision a scenario where we have a player who is said to be Town by a dead cop. That player is not 100% confirmed, but is still mostly confirmed town. That player can still read as scum, even though evidence says that they are town. Saying it may not be of huge significance, but it's not irrelevant either.

I've got nothing. I'm just posting to fill dead air. Though thus far this is playing out exactly the same every other game played out and we lost all them. If you want I can just lurk in the back until it's all over?


Wait really? Really really? You are telling me my behavior is inexcusable because I'm ceasing to contribute a metaphorical 10 minutes from the deadline? This coming from a guy who has contributed less then Scarlet (who, ya know, died two minutes in?). I think this little exchange is the most you've posted in the past two days at it's all for nothing.


But he just flat out said his reads are always the same. I get why you'd post reads every now and again but why bother if they never change?

Oh and for the record I'm just messing around right now. I'll be back to posting however it was I was posting come day three. I'm just having a little fun.

Let's look at the common factor in the town losses you've played in.

1. You've been in the game.
2. You've been acting like this.

We can discount the first one since we're establishing a condition that assumes it.

I think it's pretty likely that you behaving this way is completely detrimental to the town. Giving up is just worse than not contributing.

Moreover, perhaps you'd like to learn how to read. I don't appreciate how you've so illogically decided that your only options are to either lurk or post drivel complaining about the game. You very clearly have the option to actually contribute.

Discussing how my lack of posts discounts what I say: Are you **** insane? In what world does that logic apply. "Oh, you didn't do that so you can't point out how I didn't". You're very obviously either stupid or just a child with little to no analytic skills.

Or just actively taking the piss.

Can we all just vote garren now? Maybe we can get enough votes on him before deadline.

PopPa's gettin heated. Take a step back boys.

@Garren: I didn't say all my reads were always the same. I said my reads aren't always a true indication of what I fell somebody's alignment is. I used you as a constant read example. A different example would be confused. I have never read confused as town. Doing so in this game actually makes me lean towards confused being scum, as noted in the expansions.

As for why I post the things I post, I always have a reason. It's usually not the overt obvious reason. I don't expect you to get why I do the things I do, that's part of why I said I don't consider myself to be a good townie. Any time you don't get something though you can always ask me about it after the fact (for some things this may mean next game day, or it may mean after the game). I'll answer you immediately, even if only to tell you to ask me again when the situation has passed.

I'm still here, sorry, for the lack of reads, but getting convinced of someone being scum in this game it's difficult since I just can't townread anyone, I'm not sure about what I'm doing wrong on that front.

I'm not sure about what I should say, maybe "I'm sorry"?

@ garren, just keep trying.

At least I got the lurkers to drop some comments today?

@poppa, last time he was scum he was way more useless than that, but he was a traitor, so I dunno about him being scum now.

But killing me would tell us even less then killing... whoever it is is currently on the chopping block. But sure if we want to just waste another day fine by me.


I'll admit half of what you say annoys the carp outta me with it's vagueness. It's why I'm always ending up thinking your scum. Then when we die I'm usually too frustrated to bother asking the reasoning. That's probably a fault on my end and for that I apologize. For what it's worth your only like third on my suspicions list - the only reason my votes still sitting on you is because there isn't really anywhere I'd like to move it too.


Man I completely forgot about that game. I screwed that up from pretty much day 1. Serves me right for only half reading my role PM. I genuinely thought I was on towns side for that entire game.

Even the last 4-5 hours?! really?
WTF.

Yeah I know. It was only after the fact when the host PM'd me I'd realized what had happened. Trust you me no one was more surprised when I flipped mafia then I was.

FYI - 12:30 PM PST was around 2.5 hours ago. Although I think this discussion will help out with the next day.

I never really intended it too. I consider it a fun little distraction that should be all but ignored come the start of day three. Of course I'm probably the only one who feels that way and am going to be speed lynched at the first opportunity. Ah well. These things happen.

So any idea on how you guys can get more people to talk next day?

Enact Policy 'Lynch All Lurkers'. Wont get them talking this game but it might light a fire under their arses next time and it gives the mafia less people to hide among as they wait out the final count.

And, as I said in the Neighbourhood quicktopic at the end of the last day,please no more deadlines during the weekend, it's basically impossible to have an acceptable activity level in the last hours durng the weekend.

I'd agree with that. The above page and and half is solely based on the fact that this deadline has fallen on a weekend. I'm fine the rest of the week.