I will ONLY support a Sky or Dusky lynch until at least one of them is dead.

Even if I am wrong about both of them, at this point I'm prepared to tunnel against them to resolve what I have perceived as a coordinated effort to save a scumbuddy from the noose. I can't ignore that. So even if you believe that Sky and I are town v town tunneling into each other, we need to follow through and tunnel into oblivion because to not do that will result in at least MY inability to objectively look elsewhere until the end of the game.

It won't help us to solve the game if a pair of the loudest voices in it keep yelling at each other Day in, Day out. Regardless of our respective alignments, something here needs to give so we can draw conclusions from it. Sky's flip, regardless of alignment, will help us all to form better conclusions about who else to look at next. Maybe I'm right about the Sky/Dusky/Tevish connection, or maybe I'm not, but until Sky flips that question will remain unanswered, no matter how much others like Dusky or KoD will conclude otherwise. Unaswered questions like this only help scum to drag out the game to their benefit.

I understand the sentiment, as I was feeling like that about Faerie (I would be voting for her now if she had survived, I am sure).
But if you are wrong about both of us and lynch us in sequence, you are pretty much guraanteed mafia MVP.

Well, If I'm wrong about ONE of you, then that will be enough justification to NOT follow through with lynching you in sequence, at least, not without significantly re-evaluating all the facts in a new light.

To be clear, I do not support any kind of chain-lynch action unless the first member of that chain to fall flips scum. Even if I am the one who suggested it.

Since you added this part to your post after I had already posted my response, I didn't comment on it in my last post.

Glad to see you don't support chain lynch, but wondering: You are talking about Sky, Tevish and me as a team, but either Skystone or I must die. Why? What is the connection you see? As in, if Skystone flips scum, you want to lynch me, right? And Tevish depends on me, or Skystone? And if you lynched me and I flipped scum (not going to happen, but for the sake of understanding how you see it), then Skystone is scum first, Tevish second? I guess in essense I am wondering why you have to kill either of us first to 'solve' it, and not Tevish. I thought you mostly saw Sky as scum in connection with Tevish. At least day 1 / part of day 2.

Obviuosly I am aware you are focused on Sky and me this day. What I don't know is why you are seemingly less certain about Tevish now.

I witnessed a possible connection between Skystone and Tevish at the beginning of Day 2, and a very solid probable motive for connection between you and Skystone end of Day 2. I've seen no real connection between you and Tevish, which just means you've been distancing from each other is all.

If Sky flips town, it sort of all falls apart (doesn't mean you or tevish would be exonerated, but I'd be less confident). That's why Sky should go first. If Sky flips scum, then I will feel even more convinced that either you, tevish, or both are his allies.

Does that answer your question?

Tevish has been hiding/lurking ever since I pegged him as Sky's scumbud. I only feel less inclined to chase him since due to his post count there is literally less to go on.

Yes that answers it, thanks.

Where do I start..
After D2 I was pretty much convinced that we have to lynch Sky because of Faerie's flip, Rag's death (who voted Sky) and all the accusations against him (especially by Zinger).
But as I said before voting Sky, there could be a small possibility that both are town and the game could take a bad turn like the last game did.

On Monday evening I read the last pages for D2 again, which I had only read while half asleep so far. This was the first time I felt that something is fishy here.
After that I started to write a summary and read everything again from page 1 onward. And then I thought the whole thing smells like fish.

Here are some parts that I wanted to point out from the summary I made:


Here would be the part where I talk about each player, and my theories about them.
Buuut I had a huge fight with my girlfriend so I am not completely done yet and now I have to go to sleep (and also I should stop promising anything to you all.

At least you can have a spicy TLDR which will make Zinger furious:
1. I think one of Zinger/Tevish is scum.
2. I think one of CL/Argh is scum.
3. I think Sky and Dusky are probably town.
4. There is a possibility of a Zinger/KoD/X scum team.
Bonus: I still somehow think Faerie was scum.

I fear if we lynch either Sky or Dusky and they flip town, we have nowhere to go from there.
Therefore I would like to solve Zinger/Tevish first.
Especially because I think one of them is lying about their ability.
Is anyone of you 2 willing to give us some more details about what you did with your abilities and what information were obtained by them?

Vote: Tevish

I will go into more detail on that sometime tomorrow, but before EoD for sure. Pinky Promise this time!

So, by one thing or another, multiple real life days passed. I've read the thread but... my opinion remains fairly unchained? I think Zinger's damn fool crusade is typically a massive distraction, but I do think he's largely got a good bead right now. Sky would have been my "total paranoia" pick yesterday, and with the way the lynch and NK fell out, he remains my pick today -- I don't think the case on dusky is as compelling as that. That said, the case on dusky isn't bad either, and she's in my desired lynch list.

I do think it's hilarious that Zinger thinks I'm somehow scum with sky coming out of the gate swinging on him for an aggressive bus when, if Zinger were correct, a much easier bus was passed up the other direction. But as long as sky gets lynched, I'll take the tortured logic there.

I would actually probably be okay with a Tevish lynch here too. I just would really like to see Sky go down first for reasons I said previously.

Top pick for lynching: Sky

Acceptable 2nd picks: Dusky/Tevish

I will not support any wagons other than these until Sky is lynched, probably.

@JD: Votecount and Deadline?

The Rough and Tumble Count:

Skystone: Tevish, Aaarrrgh
Tevish: CL, Darkstar
Aaarrrgh: KoD
Darkstar: Dusky

Deadline is roughly 22.5 hours from now.

Everything surrounding Skystone points to a frame as far as I am concerned. All I see is active arguing between him and Zinger, and Skystone's opinion hardly puts him at fault for what has occurred.

Much like how, and has been indicated, Amber was killed to push an agenda on me. Zinger confirmed that in some fashion. Laying that entirely on Skystone is unfair though. Skystone can certainly fit the role of the aggressor, but so too can Zinger. Tevish too.

Yet bear in mind we had a Faerie lynch which was pitted against Skystone via Arrgh's suggestion no less. Collectively a lot of people agreed about Faerie's approach, and it wasn't like we had solid meta on Faeriebto begin with. Faerie flipping town doesn't mean Skystone, by virtue of his argument, has to be scum. Certainly not so for not agreeing with Zinger.

A scum team containing a submissive personality makes sense given the worried party. Whether that is Arrgh or someone not as affiliated to our meta remains to be seen. It stands to reason though that scum existing inside of Arrgj and Darkstar makes sense.

As for CL, his voting habits are extremely odd. That's at best.

As for the aggressor, certainly I'd pick Zinger. I'm eliminating Skystone from my suspect pool. From there it's a matter of hashing out the scum team, and right now there is a LOT of effort on Zinger's part to do away with Skystone on reasoning that I don't find compelling.

I'm utterly baffled by your take, KoD, but since I firmly believe you to be town I'll have to accept it in good faith that you aren't trying to purposefully twist the facts.

Why would I confirm you as town and out scum's plan to push you onto someone if I were scum? Think I'm playing the long con, here?

Why would I, as mafia, so vehemently have argued in favour of saving Faerie's life if, according to you, both Skystone and Faerie were town so either lynch, even a tied lynch, would have been beneficial to me?

Why would I push so hard to see Skystone lynched, painting me in a very precarious light of the obvious aggressor once he were to flip town?

I'm not sure any rational person would conclude that I am mafia here. Heck, even Sky, who I have been the biggest voice against, seems to accept that I am unlikely to be scum.

Hate to say it, bud, but I think you're off your rocker. That said, given your situation irl, no one can blame you.

And in any event, you helped lynch Faerie, a now confirmed Town. I haven't successfully helped to lynch anybody yet, so until I have at least as much town blood on my hands as you do on yours, I should be, at least theoretically, above suspicion. Your whole argument is that you don't like how aggressively I've been pushing for Sky to hang based on what you perceive is flawed reasoning. Well, that argument is only a scumtell if Sky flips town. If Sky flips mafia, then my aggressive stance against him is actually Town indicative more likely than not. Until Sky flips, it's actually NAI. So help me lynch Sky, and prove that you have a case.

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Yet bear in mind we had a Faerie lynch which was pitted against Skystone via Arrgh's suggestion no less./quote]

That's... Not what happened. Sky and Faerie we're arguing with each other, and I commented on it. I never suggested the lynch should be between the two of them. You are reading a lot into that situation which simply doesn't exist.

At first I had all the important posts from each player summarized in their sections above my thoughts. But then I thought it could also help mafia if I summarize everything for them and the summary I gave in my earlier post should be enough. Therefore you only get my thoughts of each player now:

1. Duskyblue

I think there is not too much interesting stuff about Dusky that we can talk about.
Her posts are very reasonable and I agree with a lot of them.
Zinger's reason to suspect Dusky is that she is allegedly the sole reason for the mislynch on Faerie.
But there were several reasons for the Faerie lynch and I still think Faerie looked extremely scummy.
If Sky flips mafia I am totally down lynching Dusky, otherwise I am town leaning on her.


2. Skystone

Pretty much the same as with Dusky.
His posts are very reasonable and I agree with a lot of them.
KoD said Skystone is scum because of his "aura". And Rag either believed him or he just joined in on the meme. (I think we can safely ignore this at all.)
Zinger suspects Sky because of the cryptic information he got from his ability and because Rag died. (I talk about this a bit more in Zinger's part)
If Dusky flips scum I am totally down lynching Sky, otherwise I am slightly town leaning on him.


3. KingofDominaria

Less active than usual because of his stuff but he is still doing his usual KoD things.
I didn't have the time to dig deep into his last big post.
But regarding his TLDR post I just have to say that I am sure most players will agree with me, that there is little to no chance that there are 2 or even 3 mafia players within CL/Argh/Dark.
I have a conspiracy theory about Zinger and KoD playing us hard, otherwise I don't find anything exceptionally suspect about him.


4. Ragnarokio

Dead. Was town.


5. DaRkStAr

Me


6. Aaarrrgh

Not very active, not super interesting posts.
But I feel there must be 1 scum between Argh and CL.


7. Faerie

Dead. Was town.
Even after knowing she flipped town I think her posts look more scummy than anyone else's.


8. Tevish Szat

I think him asking Zinger why he's locked is totally fine.
What I don't like is that on D2 he asked for volunteers for his ability.
I agree with Zinger that it could be dangerous that people are announcing their locked/unlocked status.
Also I don't like that he never talked about his ability again, if he targeted KoD or Sky or anyone else and if he was able to chat with someone.
There is a chance he completely lied about his ability and/or is doing scummy things with his gained information.
If Tevish flips mafia, I will be Zinger's slave and vote whoever he wants next.
If Tevish flips town, I will definitely look at Zinger next.


9. shadow amber

Dead. Was town and afk.


10. Rubik

Afk.


11. Zinger2099

Zinger is either a smart mafia player or a town player that annoys the hell out of me.
I have some theories that Zinger could have used Tevish's outing of Zinger's locked status to make an early claim and spin it in a way that it's Tevish's fault that Zinger had to claim. Then he kind of talked about his intel in a way that is fine with his NLP (which he admitted himself could be a possibility viewtopic.php?p=700706#p700706) and also helped his scum partner KoD to gain town-cred, or he just wanted to get on KoD's good side and tell a believable story.
I don't like that his intel is extremely vague (for reference: viewtopic.php?p=700682#p700682) and he never felt the need to get more explicit about what chat messages he got. Maybe he can't because of his NLP (mafia), or because it's too risky (town).
I still want to believe that Zinger is town and therefore KoD is also town for sure, because that would make everything easier and that's why I am more inclined towards voting Tevish right now.
But even if Zinger is a proven town player, I am not able to comprehend his reasons for being so sure that Dusky and Sky are scum. Maybe I am too stupid, maybe I am just incompatible with his style of arguing and reasoning. But it's the same as last game where I wasn't able to get why Zinger is tunneling hard on KoD.


12. Captan Lunch

Not very active, not super interesting posts.
But I feel there must be 1 scum between Argh and CL.

If my math is right, there should be about 2 hours left.

Two hours eight minutes specifically. The last vote count is still applicable.

Actually, I did say that there was some interpreting on my part required in order to extrapolate the context from the very short piece of the scum chat I got to see. It's possible I could be wrong.

Though I believe that the most likely interpretation is that the Mafia were plotting to use KoD in some way, I suppose, upon reexamination, that there is a slight possibility that KoD is the third Mafioso, that he was absent for some stretch of time from their chat, and the two who were discussing him merely were trying to anticipate how he would react to their plan once he returned from wherever he has run off to.

For the record, I still firmly believe KoD is town and that my initial interpretation was correct, but I can't ignore the possibility that I might have been wrong about the way these two were talking about KoD (it could, I suppose, be interpreted as less manipulation, and more anticipation for his return from some absence).

Mind you, this was before Day 2 when KoD had to leave for a funeral.

Unvote
Vote: Aaarrrgh

My preference is Aaarrrgh (as previously stated) but I would be fine with Tevish - I actually think lynching Tevish solves more, but I am more suspicous for Aaarrrgh.

@Zinger: There might not be enough time, but you could try voting someone else and see if that shows up.