Rubik has been stabbed-eded and is now dead. Garren once again is the culprit behind all these stabberys. Who gave him that knife anyways?
Garren rifles through Rubik's pockets as the usual darkness begins to spread. With the last vestiges of your vision you can see some ace bandages, tape, a splint, several band-aids, a few vials of medicine, a pillow, a strange multi-colored cube, a flashlight (whatever that is)... but then your vision goes black before Garren can continue searching Rubik.

Rubik was the: Honest Medic

It is now night, No more talking, except for Rubik, you may have a farewell post.
Night will last until Friday/Saturday midnight 75.25 hours from this post.

As of now I have the opportunity to start the day early. As much as I want to I won't start it right now without agreeance from you guys. However, this is the 24 hour notice. (aka I'm cutting the Night by one RL Day).

That being said, if nobody is opposed to me starting ASAP, you can do one of two things.
1) PM me stating that you want to start early or not.
2) Post a one word post here. One of two words... "START" or "WAIT".

If I get any waits whatsoever or if I don't hear from someone, I will wait 24 hours, otherwise I'm not against starting it even earlier with the consent of you guys.

Start.

Start

Start

Start

I didn't hear from Eli, thus I didn't start sooner, but I am posting shortly...
or now... now works too.

With the darkness clearing, once again, you find one less person than when the darkness came upon you. A quick glance revealed that 15377 has been murdered and left on the ground. 15377 was the: Honest Dark Seer.

The silence echoes in your head, the pounding of your heart rattles your ribs. Will anyone make it out alive?

This day ends Tuesday/Wednesday midnight, 120 hours from this post.
3 needed to lynch.

Good luck.

I killed Numbers last night.

Kinda figured as much. But did that mean you were possessed for the last few nights? Specifically the night where nobody died? So was it the act of killing that shifted your possession?

Oh while I'm here my ability tagged Scarlet again. So today's suspects are Elijin and Rubik.

Well, I'll try to paint the picture as best I can.

First, about yesterday. I started out the day fully believing I was town. So the argument I got into with Numbers when I disagreed him was the spawn of that belief. It wasn't until several posts into the argument that I noticed I had an unread message. I found out a tad too late that I was possessed and was able to send a night action during Night 2. So that is the reason for the no kill that night. Plus due to my mistake in not reading, I decided to stick with the stance I took.

That being said, I fully believe Rubik hit the nail on the head with possession switching upon kill; however, here is where it gets tricky.

No one spoke up to back Rubik up during Day 3 (the thread title is throwing me off a bit -- we're on Day 4 if I'm right). We all know he was telling the truth so I can only think of two, real reasons why this happened: First, someone was possessed and neglected to say so. (For accuracy sake, Rubik killed N1 and changed at the end of the Night. That corresponds with me killing Numbers last night and changing at the end of the night as well.) Second, there was no one possessed at all during Day 2 nor Night 2 until I was possessed later that night (which explains to me why I was able to make the night kill.).

Side Note: This is all from my perspective after having to function as a possessed during discussions yesterday.

Now to be quite blunt, I'm going to assume no one was out to get Rubik by causing him to apparently lie. That is, I doubt there was anyone possessed for all of Day 2 prior to us lynching Neo. If that was the case though, that just makes how the spirit works a tad tricker; however, I cannot think of any good reason, outside of spite for Rubik, that someone would withhold the info to prove what Rubik said during Day 3.

Now for the spirit: I believe Rubik is right. Just as I had stated above, I became normal prior to the day starting, and that was due to having committed a kill. What I speculate is that there is a day cooldown. That is, there currently is no possessed person among us right now.

Here is a problem though: I don't know if the possession will go through tonight in the event we all agreed to a No Lynch. I know I was possessed somewhere during the middle of the night during Night 2, but I'm not sure how it'll go down in the event it happens.

Here is another problem: As I mentioned, I was allowed to kill during N2 when I was possessed, but I didn't because I missed it. I don't think I would have become unpossessed after doing the kill given that I was recently possessed. I was allowed to kill during N3 though. So, what I'm saying is that I was allowed to kill the night I was possessed and the following night. The problem this presents is this: If we lynch someone today and, for the sake of argument, they are not the spirit, then moving on to tonight the new player will become possessed and allowed to kill which means the scum will win.


Now I'm going to field my argument for a No Lynch right here and now because I honestly feel we may be in a lose-lose situation if the mechanics work in such a way where regardless of what we do today someone gets possessed at night.

The argument is going to be taken from above. That is, I'm contending that there is no one possessed today. I am strictly basing this only upon what I have experienced after having been possessed myself and the information Rubik had previously provided us. Do I know for a fact there is no possessed among us? No, I do not. But, I do believe what Rubik said about the spirits. We all should. That is, they rotate. I'm also going to tell you flat out the rotation does not stop due to Neo, the Blood Cultist, being dead. My reasoning is based, again, upon my perspective. I was possessed, and now I am not. Going further, as I mentioned above Rubik would have been confirmed when someone spoke up during Day 3 to confirm what he said about the spirits. No one came forth. I doubt anyone was withholding information as we would gain nothing out of it. Also I was possessed during all of Day 3 and had been possessed since near the middle of Night 2 (given that I was allowed to make a kill that night). The timing of this as well as my "depossession" after I made the kill Night 3 leads me to believe that during even days we have no possessed.

With that being established in my argument, I move on to the problem we face.

I'm going to focus on two ways to view this: You either believe me or you don't.

If you don't believe me, then someone is possessed here, and you had better be sure about who you want lynched because if we mislynch, that will be game going into the night. Use w/e reasoning you want to validate why a possessed would be around today.

If you do believe me, then here is the problem I see. We have to take a leap of faith, and I mean that. Obviously if there are no spirits, we will mislynch no matter what if we attempt to lynch -- and I just realized the win conditions are what end this not the lynches. sec playing with something

D: 4 -> 3. N: 3 -> 2. Huh, so Day 5 will be a quick draw.

Ok, I've been talking long enough, and I stumbled upon a scenario where we go to Day 5 with only 2 people and first to vote, I assume, wins. So unless you want to take a leap of faith like I mentioned, the only other option is to lynch someone today (and I believe it'll be a town no matter who it is). Then, during the night, someone will become possessed and kill one of the two remaining town which will lead to a quick draw the following day.

Just to be complete, the only problem my leap of faith has is that I'm not sure if we immediately win when we go to night. That is, we no lynch and head to night. Unless we win automatically when we hit Night, I assume night would have to be complete with no deaths which means someone would get possessed anyway and no hit to win. Great, that undermines my leap of faith anyway.

Ok, looks like it'll have to be a quick draw. I nominate myself to be one of the people who does the quick draw because I'm on late enough to watch like a hawk for the sign.

All in favor go aye. All against nay. (Course there is no guarantee I won't get possessed again, but I doubt I'd get it a second time in a row.)

Rubik be dead.

So as far as I'm concerned you're all suspect.

KoD: while the story makes sense in terms of 'only a kill will spread possession around', given the fact that Rubik came up honest, I'm still stuck with the other option I presented. The possession sticks around because of the Blood Cultists death. Knowing that a no kill would no longer lead to a win because of my game plan, you killed today because that's the only way a scum would be able to win.
Also the 1-1 lylo does not work. There will be no majority, so NL. I'm kinda surprised you named it.

Garren/Eli:
If my theory does not work, you guys are still suspect because possession does not skimp on power roles/vanillas. So anyone is fair game.

For me, this day will basically boil down to which theory to follow.

It's also possible that the possessions would switch on the odd nights regardless of kills being done. Since I only have what Rubik and I did I can't say that for sure.

Now with your theory there is one glaring hole. If you believe that, then someone should be able to claim being possessed during Day 2. That means they can also, after the fact, confirm what Rubik said. But I'm the only other person claiming being possessed, and I have said that I was never possessed during Day 2. If that is true, you have to believe my theory about the spirit disappearing for a small amount of time. I'd you don't believe me, then you have to believe that I was possesses all of Day 2, Night 2, Day 3, and Night 3. This means that not only does possession not switch, but I am still possessed and you can't view anyone else as suspect. But that is only if you follow your theory. See the problem.

As an exercise:

Garen, were you possessed during Day 2? If not, then please answer this question with your opinion: Why do you think no one came forward during Day 3 to clear Rubik?

Elijin, were you possessed during Day 2? If not, then please answer this question with your opinion: Why do you think no one came forward during Day 3 to clear Rubik?

Scarlet, same stuff as above.

I can't ask Numbers since I killed him; however, as I have mentioned, I believe that no one was possessed at all during the whole course of Day 2 otherwise they would have come out during Day 3 to confirm everything Rubik had said. The obvious exception to that being someone could have withheld that info which would then raise the question as to why? But that exception would require believing that someone was actively lying as town and hurting town's chances by denying us Rubik's confirmation Day 3. Were PopPa still in this game, I could potentially believe it in all seriousness. But I do not believe that to be the case at all.

No problem. I literally said that. It depends on what theory to follow.

My theory hinges on the Cultist being somehow responsible for the possession switching.
So N1: switch because Cultist was alive. Rubik --> ??? (let's theorize you).

N2: Cultist is dead, no switch (you). You sent a kill on Rubik and failed, so pushed the NL.
You didn't come forward about D2 because if Rubik died as town and you said you were scum D2, someone would have to come with D3. No-one would and you'd die as last scum and lose. So the best play is to stay quiet.

N3: Cultist is dead, no switch (you). Because of what I said in the prior day, you realized you had to kill to have a chance of winning. 15377 is the obvious target because of his role and discussions with you.

That's the theory.

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I've never been possessed. Note that during the question mark of the possession (D2) I was also cleared by Garren.

Also, every theory I can come up with is nowhere near 'unchanged' mafia. Switching scum? Cult? Meh. I'm curious about the final design, but I'm pretty much out of my comfort zone right now.

Rubik confirmed that there was no kill attempt on him. He checked with the mod about a specific of role. We would have known if there was a failed hit, just not what had caused it. There literally was no kill attempt made. There is a disconnect in your theory about me pushing the NL at this point. So how else can you explain my pushing a NL on D3?

The kill on Numbers was actually on a whim. I figured that on the off chance I was going to stay possessed, since I had no idea I'd lose the spirit upon killing, then I would rather not deal with Number's potentially targeting me and confirming that I made a kill attempt. Course I could have no hit again, but having both Numbers and Garen alive would have been cumbersome. I figured Garen was the better choice to deal with the next day since it wouldn't be a finger pointing at me saying you did this -- yet I'm in the same situation anyway having come forward, but that's due to the whole switch of alignment.

But yes, it's entirely possible that I was possessed at the end of N1 after Rubik made his kill. It's entirely possible that I was scum for all of Day 2. The only problem, then, is explaining my drastic change in behavior between D2 and D3. By then, D3, I would have known that the possession didn't switch each night so why go for a NL and lose, as an example, your view of me from D2? Because, and let's face it, I'm no longer playing safe in that case.

Imma make this short, because Im too tired to do anything else.

Even within this very post, you're contradicting yourself. You open saying you've been mafia for the last two nights, but didnt notice it initially, which is why we went a night without a kill. You then go on to start theorising about no mafia days, and why there was no kill, etc etc.

I knew you were mafia yesterday going for the no lynch, and I have no reason to disbelieve it today, given you cant even keep your own story straight.

The fact you killed last night just cements it for me. A town who believed the scum was still rotating, would not kill and put us in lylo.

Yup, correct. I missed that. Even then, there is still a scenario where this works.
You yourself was busy (together with me) to try and convince the town that there were 2 scum alive. When NeoSilk also gave us the way to open the door we have the following situation at the end of D2:
2 scum dead. For your theory to work, it would have to appear that there is no longer a scum alive. The way? No kill followed by a NL push to win the game.

Change?
D2 you pushed for 2 scum. D3 you pushed that those 2 were dead and there should be NL.
A NL would win a scum you the game. Because scum wincon is opening the door...by having no deaths.

Oh carp yeah we lynched him last night didn't we. Is it just the four of us (me, you, KoD and Elijin) then? Huh.