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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2023 4:00 am 
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Monster's Pink role from game 1 literally couldn't be copied, though. Unknown has no reason to vote Monster and in fact probably wants to Nader to get a random investigate for something good or join you on KoD to get a killing role.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2023 5:37 am 
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It would probably behoove everyone to read through the first Cute Lil' Monsters game I can't say for sure if everything is the same (especially since some roles were called out at endgame as having other options) but at the very least it shows more or less how the game flowed. As for me, I think it's currently in my best interests as non-green to want to wipe out the Greens. The danger, of course, is the emerald pick-up on Zinger. The best way to counter this would be for the Orange monster to be the one to put the last vote on Rag, which they are probably trying to do anyway. That makes Orange more dangerous in theory, but would allow Zinger to be ganked to hell and the cult ended, at least until such a time as Orange dies with a Green alive (which would require monster to resurrect a player as Green).

The only other way the cult ends is if all cult members are killed at once (meaning a shot on Zinger and a shot on Zinger's target), if Orange steals the Green Emerald and disables cult with their night action (at which point the cult is back in action as soon as Orange dies), or if a Cyan monster rolls roleblocker. Otherwise we end up tail-chasing pretty hard. I suppose with perfect information and NK-cooperation we could both kill the current Greenie and then lynch the new one to end it, but that presumes we will continue to have perfect information.


green wasn't outed from the start of the game last time which makes the gamestate pretty different. If it suits others I can agree to abstain from culting tonight, and monster can verify that i haven't. Its in monster's interest that the gamestate stalls so she shouldn't lie. I already forget if there are roleblockers or not but if there are they can target me as insurance.

With killing roles out of the game green becomes progressively less of a threat to players, since living players can't lose the game when green wins. To this end, it makes more sense to off a killing role day 1. We know KoD is one, and so they seem the optimal route to go to me. I'll be casting my vote on KoD (the current green vote on monster is from zinger).


What this fails to take into account is that KoD is the yellow lyncher with a target of monster. Meaning he has no other reason to kill anybody other than monster. He kills monster, he's done for the game. Further monster is just going to resurrect killing roles to prolong the game. So ignoring that is just a bone headed move on greens part. Monster has declared war on green. Zinger seems to get it, you should fall in line too.

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Actually, once KoD has killed Monster, he still kind of wants to keep killing. His "must destroy target" wincon isn't a game-ending one if it's the same as it was in game 1, which means he gets screwed if his alignment is changed before an endgame condition is reached. The endgame conditions are Cyan eliminates all Threats To Cyan (initially Red and Green, possibility of Gray eliminated by the culting of Zinger, eventually Orange if Orange claims the Red or Green Emeralds, Yellow if their target is Cyan which it isn't), Red achieves at least 50% of population (not happening at any sort of pace without Monster resurrecting folks into Red), Green gaining totality, or Orange claiming all seven Chaos Emeralds. Of those, KoD could progress Cyan, effectively becoming a Vig... possibly to the displeasure of Purple and Blue depending on who gets murderized along the way. He could also submit to the Cult I guess but that would mean changing alignment and moving his win from a finished thing to an unsure one. And even then, he could kill off other players to speed and secure the win. I wouldn't expect him to hold fire once Monster is down unless there's some sort of agreement to that effect, and then that's as much or as little as you trust KoD to honor agreements.

Right now I feel like one of the biggest X-factors in the game becomes who Purple's target is.

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None of that are problems for green, they are problems for red and cyan. Luckily both problems are quickly resolved by those players claiming right now and siding against monster. Red holsters and gets culted. Cyan has their emerald stolen so they can't recruit tomorrow. Whoever is in possession of the white emerald tomorrow wishes orange is a green monster. Blue is lynched. Cyan is converted. Unknown has a vote on Rag at some point in this flow, they copy to green. Purple is wished to a living player as a protectant day 3, we all scoop in victory except monster unless I forgot about somebody. GG.

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Possibly swap a couple of those wishes around for timing but yeah.

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KoD's target isn't actually me though. He's just trying to kill me anyway cuz he's a bone head.

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None of that are problems for green, they are problems for red and cyan. Luckily both problems are quickly resolved by those players claiming right now and siding against monster. Red holsters and gets culted. Cyan has their emerald stolen so they can't recruit tomorrow. Whoever is in possession of the white emerald tomorrow wishes orange is a green monster. Blue is lynched. Cyan is converted. Unknown has a vote on Rag at some point in this flow, they copy to green. Purple is wished to a living player as a protectant day 3, we all scoop in victory except monster unless I forgot about somebody. GG.

this will never happen here :D

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KoD's target isn't actually me though. He's just trying to kill me anyway cuz he's a bone head.


How convenient for you.

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I think killing the cult first is the right play we can worry about the host after.

Plus killing the host never ends well. I try to kill the host in every mafia game lol.

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M0nster's Super Cute Sequel Game Votecount Number 3

Ragnarokio (4): Pink Lil' Monster, Red Lil' Monster, Purple Lil' Monster, Cyan Lil' Monster
M0nster (2): Yellow Lil' Monster, Green Lil' Monster
KoD (1): Green Lil' Monster

Not voting: 3 out of 10 players.

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I think killing the cult first is the right play we can worry about the host after.

Plus killing the host never ends well. I try to kill the host in every mafia game lol.


I’m inclined to agree with you 100% on your first statement Neon. That then brings us to point, how do we stop the Cult? Yes, we can lynch Rag. Then hopefully yellow or red NK Zinger, that brings us to the dilemma of whomever Zinger converts then automatically picks up the Green Chaos Emerald, and we back to square Zero, since we won’t know who Zinger Converted, unless Orange steals the Green Chaos Emerald, to completely Nullify the Cult it will take some coordination on the part of us players, which would involve a few players claiming their color, as I see it. Thoughts anyone?

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I think killing the cult first is the right play we can worry about the host after.

Plus killing the host never ends well. I try to kill the host in every mafia game lol.


I’m inclined to agree with you 100% on your first statement Neon. That then brings us to point, how do we stop the Cult? Yes, we can lynch Rag. Then hopefully yellow or red NK Zinger, that brings us to the dilemma of whomever Zinger converts then automatically picks up the Green Chaos Emerald, and we back to square Zero, since we won’t know who Zinger Converted, unless Orange steals the Green Chaos Emerald, to completely Nullify the Cult it will take some coordination on the part of us players, which would involve a few players claiming their color, as I see it. Thoughts anyone?

Of note, if Rag is lynched and, through some shenanigans, I somehow don't receive the Green Chaos Emerald, I will NOT possess the ability to cult anyone. Green Monsters lack the ability to cult without the matching emerald.

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Mongoose wrote:
I think killing the cult first is the right play we can worry about the host after.

Plus killing the host never ends well. I try to kill the host in every mafia game lol.


I’m inclined to agree with you 100% on your first statement Neon. That then brings us to point, how do we stop the Cult? Yes, we can lynch Rag. Then hopefully yellow or red NK Zinger, that brings us to the dilemma of whomever Zinger converts then automatically picks up the Green Chaos Emerald, and we back to square Zero, since we won’t know who Zinger Converted, unless Orange steals the Green Chaos Emerald, to completely Nullify the Cult it will take some coordination on the part of us players, which would involve a few players claiming their color, as I see it. Thoughts anyone?

Of note, if Rag is lynched and, through some shenanigans, I somehow don't receive the Green Chaos Emerald, I will NOT possess the ability to cult anyone. Green Monsters lack the ability to cult without the matching emerald.


I don’t think it is possible, unless orange tries to pick up the Green Emerald, and gets it in the 50/50 split, or Cyan rolled Roleblock or Gemthief for a random, and that seems rather unlikely.

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I think killing the cult first is the right play we can worry about the host after.

Plus killing the host never ends well. I try to kill the host in every mafia game lol.


My dear asterisk, monster isn't the host. Monster is a player. Whose role and win condition are known. So there's nothing to fear here. Embrace the green and everybody can have tea and cakes together. ^_^

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Dear friends,


Monster is right. Monster isn't my target. My target is someone else entirely.

The only reason I'm only voting Monster right now is because I don't actually have a dog in this race (but I DO care). Removing Monster removes the resurrections which puts the game on a clock to end faster than it would otherwise with people coming back due to Monster's role.

That said, am I married to the idea of removing Monster by vote? I am not. Zero sum-wise, removing Green makes more sense least they keep culting. To that end, I can DEFINITELY marry the idea of D1 lynching Rag because it's Rag.

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Make no mistake though.

Monster must go.

Mostly because she gave me a personal message acting like I'd agree to not take her out in exchange for my target even though she never gave me my target.

lol as if

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There are plenty of ways to win, and Rag's argument about cult being the way for most people to win is not necessarily true. No one has any incentive to help cult unless cult specifically commits to allowing that person to win with them (and even so there's no guarantee cult will come through).

As far as concern over doing the cult, remember that Monster gave us all of the info about cult activities N0, it send likely she would do the same tomorrow, or at least whenever the cult risks overrunning the game too fast.

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Make no mistake though.

Monster must go.

Mostly because she gave me a personal message acting like I'd agree to not take her out in exchange for my target even though she never gave me my target.

lol as if


Are you saying you don't know your target? Or did she actually tell you?

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