Why do you insist on arguing when you're literally wrong about that? What you're talking about as being "verifiable" by posts only counts for you and Eli. If you honestly think anyone in the pro-Rubik group would have wanted Rubik lynched over Eli, then you're disillusioned. You're even more disillusioned than I thought if you think Rubik would lynch himself.

I leave it at that because it's painfully obvious to me you just want to argue a losing point.

And seriously, if you're going to continue arguing the least you could do is actually go back and pull up the posts that verify what you are believing. I doubt you'll do that though because you already have a track record for not backing up your word like when you mentioned doing so against Scar.

Umm, Garren said he would've not voted Rubik, because he was going with the theory combined with his role. He hammered too.
I would not. KoD would not. Rubik would obviously not vote himself.

This is an argument you cannot win. And it's not even that far back to read (though I have 50 ppp, so it may be less pages for me).

There was no chance for Rubik to have been lynched yesterday.
You got me with the possibility of a 2-1-6 setup, but like I explained in my previous post, I would've still let Rubik live in that case.

Go back to my last post and actually read what I wrote. Everything I said is literally right. Yesterday Garren and Rubik made no mention of lynching Eli. That's verifiable in the posts they made. I was leaning toward voting Rubik. That's verifiable by the posts I made. From this I postulated that had you not changed your vote and I dropped a Rubik vote, a foot race between Eli and Rubik would then ensue. At this point you would have to gamble that Rubik would come online with the less than 24 hour window that was remaining in deadline and vote Eli to save himself and that Garren would support an Eli lynch instead of continuing to let his vote sit elsewhere. I submit that you did not take that gamble because you didn't like the risk to Rubik's life. See what I did there? I took facts from the game and formulated a hypothesis about the events that occurred yesterday. You've mean while just made more baseless assumptions and then tried to say I'm arguing just to argue.

@Scar, you misunderstand the argument. As I said the support KoD wanted (me) was leaning toward a Rubik lynch. As I pointed out yesterday KoD kept continually trying to put me and Eli at odds, likely to make me jump to an Eli vote. This did not happen. My further point is not that those people would vote for Rubik, it's that they aren't guaranteed to have voted Eli. Take Rubik for example. Let's say the foot race ensues. On one side we have me, Eli, and Neo voting Rubik. On the other we have you, KoD, and Garren voting Eli. Toss in the possibility that Rubik could still be possessed. The natural assumption is that he'll vote Eli to save himself, but if he's possessed simply not voting at all creates a missed lynch which not only saves himself, but sets up what Neo laid out to be the method of escape. Garren can easily be flipped with Rubik there. Granted in such a situation one person would likely jump to the other side to avoid a mislynch, but that argument can be easily made for both sides, thus Eli isn't more likely to be lynched than Rubik in such a situation, it'd just depend on who got froggy first. Unless, of course, you're contending that team Rubik would rather lose the game than have lynched him yesterday?

@15377:
I tend to do that misunderstanding thing a lot this day.
I admit that with the unknown of Rubik's alignment that a no vote from him would win a scum Rubik the game. But I would not have considered that unless someone would've posted it first.

KoD if you die today and they still want to lynch me, town loses. I hate to admit it, but me dying today might be the best course of action if people don't already trust me.

KoD if you die today and they still want to lynch me, town loses. I hate to admit it, but me dying today might be the best course of action if people don't already trust me.

I read what you wrote, and you're disillusioned. Are you right with what you stated as a fact? Sure. Garen made no mention of lynching Eli. Rubik made no mention of lynching Eli. Ok, I accept that. You leaning towards voting Rubik is a nonissue for me since I already accounted for you and neo voting Rubik, but since you want to be pedantic it should be noted that Neo made no mention of leaning towards voting Rubik.

Now, here is why you're wrong. What you're postulating is an assumption. This whole thing you are talking about concerns a what-if scenario where I had never switched my vote to Neo effectively meaning I never started a wagon against him. So, in said what-if scenario we have both Scar and I voting for Eli, you voting for Scar, and no other votes thrown out that I can recall. Now, based off of what you have stated as fact, deadline will hit and no one will be lynched and mafia will win by no hitting. Right?

Wrong, and here is why yet again for your benefit. First, let's address your stated facts about Garen and Rubik. In this scenario, you maintain that they won't vote for Eli. Your assumption, based off an observation, directly defies the town though. That is, Garen and Rubik won't sit idly by and not cast a vote to prevent a no lynch from happening. "But they wont' vote Eli is my point," you say? Garen certainly won't vote Rubik, and Rubik won't vote himself. So, tell me what leg are you standing on in making these postulates of yours? Because, as was shown yesterday, Rubik showed up to vote Neo, and if I had never shifted a vote to Neo in the first place, he would have voted Eli then to ensure there was a lynch. And Garen? He would have voted Eli as well to ensure that a lynch happened.

Do yourself a favor. Actually read what others have said, or not said, and make accurate assumptions as opposed to these outlandish assumptions you are making.

Numbers


When you started this argument with me, it was not about you being the "support" I needed for lynching Eli. Making it about yourself now does not give credit to your viewpoint in this argument nor does it make you right at any point. As for me trying to put you and Eli at odds, I already explained that yesterday. If you don't like or accept that explanation, that's too bad.

As for this current argument, the point stands in my favor. If I had never gone for Neo, we either would have lynched Eli or no lynch would have happened at all. And, since you bring up not knowing Rubik's alignment, the same applies to Neo as well. Not knowing his alignment and given the stance all of us pro-Rubik players believed, then we have no reason to not count on Neo voting with us to ensure a lynch.

VOTES (4 to lynch)
(2) KingofDominaria - KingofDominaria, Elijin
(2) Rubik - GobO_Scarlet, 15377


DAY ENDS: Tuesday/Wednesday Midnight 25.75 hours from this post

@KoD, it's not "now", it's always been this argument. But just like yesterday you're ignoring anything that doesn't jive with your thought process, and responding in a manner that makes you look good but doesn't necessarily respond to the things being said to you. Because of this I'm not going to bother responding to your drivel. I'll simply restate what I've already said a handful of times and you'll ignore it again because whatever.

Looking back on yesterday, knowing what we know now and taking what we still don't know into account, I've hypothesized that you jumped off the Eli wagon because it wasn't a sure thing in the last 24 hours because of the reasons I stated. Despite your quite foolish assertions that an Eli lynch was 100% guaranteed until you switched your vote, those not already voting for Eli weren't guaranteed to do so later in the day (for reasons I've covered with Scar amongst other possibilities), creating a risk to Rubik that you deemed unacceptable and thus you chose to pursue a third party lynch that both sides of the divide would likely get behind.

Alright. Rather than waste my time pointing out how wrong you are, I'll settle with an obligatory "ha ha" directed in your general direction due to your defeat in the matter.

After all, it is only in the mind of someone who has lost that they think they've still won an argument they had no chance of winning in the first place.

VOTES (4 to lynch)
(2) KingofDominaria - KingofDominaria, Elijin
(2) Rubik - GobO_Scarlet, 15377


DAY ENDS: Tuesday/Wednesday Midnight 11.5 hours from this post

Glad to see you've finally admitted your position in this matter.

Deadline is closing in. Garren and Rubik you guys planning on throwing votes today? Eli you dead set on voting KoD today? I think it's more than apparent KoD will create a missed lynch if he can so I'm just going to consider his vote a non-entity as it can't be trusted.

Would you like me to vote differently? All you have to do is say so (or at least ask nicely) as Eli did.

I'm going to be unavailable until after deadline by probably 30 mins. So just in case

Unvote, Vote: Rubik

Thanks for how helpful you've been to us Rubik. And Numbers, don't say I was never helpful.

Well carp. I really don't want to kill Rubik. Don't suppose we can get a last minute swing towards KoD or Numbers? Also it's like what 6 hours till deadline?

I doubt it, but I'll help solidify it if you get 3 people who want me alive.

It might be the case that possession rotates on kill. Whoever is possessed now didn't kill anyone, so they didn't rotate. That makes a decent amount of sense, I think.

Given how little time remains, I'll reveal the specifics of my role. I can maintain a player's stability for a night. If I target someone who would die, they instead stay alive until I stop targeting them. I've been targeting myself because I was hoping to bait scum into nking me and failing. I'm willing to use my ability on other people, but after I extend them for a night it's probably smarter in most cases to go back to self targeting.

VOTES (4 to lynch)
(1) KingofDominaria - Elijin
(3) Rubik - GobO_Scarlet, 15377, KingofDominaria


DAY ENDS: Tuesday/Wednesday Midnight 4.25 hours from this post

Ah carp. Sorry Rubik.

Vote: Rubik