[B]Vote: Silly (Freddeh)

So, after reviewing Freddeh's posts, and then Silly's, I feel comfortable axing him (them). If they are town, Elijin's right, their non-posting becomes a liability when we need to garner votes. If they are a goblin, well, peace out homie.

It feels OOC, but since it's game-related I'll keep it IC. I am guilty of disappearing for a weekend, mainly because I travel, party, etc. I try to check in and comment when I can, but I don't think it's outrageous if someone is absent for 2 days. I do think someone being absent for two weeks is deserving of some form of outrage, hence my vote on Silly.

Stating facts is not embellishing or emoting.



As I've said more than a few times, the point of the question was to gauge responses. There's two opinions you can respond with and then silence. You opted for silence. We can gauge your response in conjunction with the rest of your behavior. That's not a hard concept to understand. But as I've stated, you've been continually dropping excuses as for why you should be exempt from this.



You want to be part of the game and you want to be engaged yet you continually avoid major discussion points. Seems more like you want to simply seem engaged and active.



Exactly the point. Your initial post was telling Alt to not completely shut down. The subsequent posts from there weren't you pleading your case, it was you two hashing out what exactly Alt was saying. Pleading was not present. Your use of pleading is simply to embellish the events to make yourself look much more townly. Funny how that actually works.



And you could have said as much. But you chose not to. Which is again the point. The established behavior. You avoid major discussion points. You avoid putting yourself out there.



You're probably thinking of this post:



Which is exactly what I just said, not some story change.



I don't see why, given we were talking specifically about when a day should be driven towards end when there's 100% scum up for lynch. Suddenly changing your perview mid conversation seems like a good way to avoid the actual issue at hand though.



I didn't declare Alt a liability. Unlike you, who declared and immediately voted off of one post you felt to be in bad logic, I talked at Alt until he was at Lynch -1. Even then I gave him the opportunity to do the townly thing and claim before he was lynched. He opted to be a liability and he opted not to act in a townly manner. So I voted for him. As for being critical of you, I was being critical of you for not chasing down a player you labeled as "100% scum". If you have suspicions you want to flesh out before making public, that's all well and good. If you think somebody is "100% scum", subtly dropping mild hints while pursuing players that are pursuing your own suspected target is something completely different.



I'm driving home points that establish your pattern of behavior. Mistakes happen. As long as they are reasonable I see no reason to harp on them. Who are you saying you accused based on nothing?

Appreciated.

It would be really dumb if we both flip town and the actual goblins are simply ducking for cover while our back and forth dominates day 3.

Id say you do embellish. Less so in this post now I've mentioned it. But prior to that, your posts were starting to be worded such that you were actually putting my intent behind actions, and how they might seem harmless in a void, but with your certain knowledge of my evil doings they're obvious sinister.

You know the other implication of silence when presented with an offer? Disinterest. If I asked everyone if they wanted a punchtotheface sandwich and they all said no because obviously no one wants that, but then you turned up later and didnt answer, does that mean you want a punchtotheface sandwich? Or are hiding your secret feelings about punchtotheface sandwiches? Or have you simply seen its not even worth answering because the answer is so clear?

Im kind of tired of re-hashing the time zone thing. I even explained it a bunch one time, referred to how when Im tired it can snowball etc etc. I dont actively avoid things, I just sometimes am not keeping up. For someone who is avoiding major conversation points I sure have created a lot of them though.

Im thinking of an older post of yours, but Im too tired to pursue it right now(3:45am), so Im happy to let that point fall to the side for now, to be revisited if necessary.

I have never referred to a specific day. You have, I have always been arguing the merit of long days over short days.

I wasnt exactly subtle. I havent said a nice thing about shock, and have questioned his alignment in every single mention I have ever made of him.

Oh and hey, you declared Alt a liability in the post 'fore last. Which when I was questioned why I felt Alt had to go, I pretty much said that. But you quoted the post-lynch post of me saying that. Now you're saying/admitting Alt was a liability, while pursuing me for thinking the same thing.

Are you going to vote? Because back and forth aside, the reasoning I have outlined for voting Silly is sound. Unless they put in an appearance, they need to go. And if you're not going to vote, why? because again, the reasoning I outlined is pretty sound.

Official Vote Count
Silly
NeoSilk
Garren_Windspear
Squinty_eyes
rstnme
Elijin

Cereal_Killer
felbatista

<DAY ENDED ON THIS POST. VOTES NO LONGER COUNTED AFTER THIS>

Note that info by talking is always ok though, so you played correctly in continuing.
Finally, I am 100% sure that C_K is NOT JaC. ]Because I am. You know, the Touhou thing, the talking about how it would not be fair for Jac to play in this game, etc.

A big push suddenly makes Silly_Dragons jump into the machine. Before he has the chance to get a word in, he is already in the analyzer and the mechanical voice booms again.

"BLOOD ANALYSIS COMPLETE. HAAZDA EXONERATOR."

A bit sad due to the missed chance this time, you can only hope the Goblins don't take advantage of this momentum. You just have to have faith. You know, because faith is for the transient people like yourself...

Night 3. 72 hours. Let's go.
Fortunately all you guys left seem active

Some people see the link go to the wrong post. This is when you have less than 44 ppp in this instance (I have 50 ppp)


Flavorstuff later.

Rtsnme dies. Haazda Exonerator.

Rstnme death is quite an interesting one. Day1, his posts were mostly reactive to Alt's, and we now know both of them were Towns, so we can't take much from that alone. He was kind of inactive during Day2 and for a good part of Day3, until he started posting some meaningful posts near the end. When someone suddenly starts posting readings and is immediately killed by the Mafia, it says to me that he was close to something. I may be biased by the fact that 2 of his suspects are my top suspects, but it's not like I don't have reasons to look at them anyways. Rstnme had:

Silly - Known Town
C_K - for reactionary/band-wagony behavior, and for defending Shock early on.
Neo - For trying to pretend he is contributing while not doing anything
Confused - For the vote on Alt

While I still think C_K's behavior in this game are indicative of a hidden green skin, I'm interested on hearing a wrap-up of his interactions with Elijin (and I also want to hear everyone's opinions on that. It seems like a relevant topic that has been mostly ignored, much like what happened when he was questioning me during Day2). The player that is bothering me the most in the game right now, though, is Neo. I'm calling him a Goblin for some time now, and the only response I got is something in the lines of "even though he thinks I'm Mafia, I think fel is Town". It's almost like you're saying distrusting you makes a person more likely to be Mafia. And, from what we got from Rstnme, I'm not the only one that don't like your behavior. Care to share some thoughts, Neo?

Also, you guys want me to say my results from the night, or you think you can figure that by yourselves? The answer is pretty obvious.

2 points I forgot to add:

1. Garren, see how much more info we got from Rstnme' death compared to Silly's? That's why the death of active players is often more beneficial for Town.

2. Which brings us to the next point: Confused. If Mafia wants deaths that give fewer information, why Rstnme over Confused? It could be because Confused is a Goblin, but by looking at the MO of some of the players in this game, one could say Confused is the next in the chopping block. Unless Mafia knows that and is betting that we'll kill Confused for them. Maybe I'm overthinking here, but I'll for sure keep an eye on Confused's posting pattern from now on (history tells me that this shouldn't be hard).

Oh jeez we lost another town? Seriously what are the numbers now? Like 4 Town / 3 Goblin? It isn't looking all that great is it?



True enough though I wasn't really arguing that killing an inactive member would give us more information more that killing an active member *solely* so we could get information from there death was madness. If the goblins kill them then fair game.

For the sake of transparency, I'd rather you outright stated the results of your night action thanks Fel. I mean given I've called it into question already, you should at least be putting it into writing each day your results, even if you think its a given. I want to hear you say 'Ive been roleblocked' every day. Nothing personal, but saying it once and then letting us assume is a good way to avoid lying too much if you're a goblin in cop's clothes.

Unfortunate that Silly was town, but better we find that out now, than when we need the vote. I obviously am highly suspicious of CK. Im also starting to lean towards Garren. I cant tell whether its genuine inexperience/naivety, or attempting to mislead us, but he's constantly trying to panic us and throwing around large goblin numbers. To my understanding in a 12 player game there would usually be 3 goblins. Shame we never got to hear more on why Silly suspected him.

Anyway,

Vote: Cereal_Killer

Also while its on my mind,

Fel kept, and even after the point is, arguing against killing a player which showed all signs of not being able to vote, instead calling for the vote of an active member. Thats not good town a good town play. Lynching is the town's weapon, and a player who is absent drives the majority up while making it harder/impossible to reach. And instead calling for the death of an active player? Thats pretty self destructive for town.

Plus I keep going at him and he doesnt even seem to be interested in me? Trying to brush it off to avoid giving my musing any weight, or just confident that my aggressive plays will get me lynched, and working towards other town players?

I can assure you that any misrepresentation of the goblin's number on my part is solely due to having no idea how many we had at the beginning and no what the average is. I've been told both four and three now and with either number we're still kinda in trouble here. And this ain't just wild panic here either - assuming there were 4 goblins to begin with if we lynch a townie today we officially lose the game.

Thats a pretty high density of Goblins. I mean, we even had a doctor save. Would be a fairly short game if we had 4 Goblins to start with. Im inclined to believe 3, as it plays more into the spirit of the game, being that the mafia/goblins are a small faction and have to guide the town to its failure piecemeal. 4 Goblins means that they just have to survive what? The first 2 lynchings and make all their night kills? and they win. Just doesnt seem like a format we'd see. Especially with so many new players.

That actually makes a lot more sense. So the numbers are 5/2 Town/Goblin then? Okay that's a lot easier to work with. Now we just need to figure out who they are eh? On that note;

Vote: Felbatista

I said you were next on the list Fel.

Do you remember who told you 4? Because making a new player be wary of inflated goblin numbers and therefore seeing less potential town members could be scummy. Then again it could just be a mistake. But yeah, who was it?

Unfortunatly is was rstnme so that's not really going to shine a light on anything. I'd assume it was just a mistake anyway. Looking back he didn't seem all that sure himself.

You're still not getting the point, Eli. If we reach a point in the game that we can't vote because of inactive players, we can easily ask for a replacement or a modkill. It's actually harder to happen by the rules of this game, since we wont have a no-lynch unless we actually vote for it. It's much better to get more information from our kills and let Scarlet decide how much involved someone needs to be in the game. If the mods takes no action and nothing changes, than it's time to do something. Here, we gave no chance to Silly. One day without posting anything and bam, dead. And I'll repeat this: Confused did basically the same thing and you guys did nothing agaisnt him. Silly was a special snowflake and I don't know why...

Also, going after me doesn't make you more or less scum, buddy. It's your job in this game to distrust everyone. Right know, Garren is voting for me. What do you think I should do? Do you think I should vote him? Do you think should I start mounting some kind of defense? I'm not doing that. Saying "I'm not Mafia" only drags the game. Want to not be the lynch of the day? Find a better target. I'm not voting for you just because you're attacking me. That's what you're supposed to do.

Also, don't pretend I'm not interested in you when I've said twice already that I'm interested in your conversation with C_K.

And since you asked nicely, target last night was C_K again. And I was roleblocked.

There's a pretty big disconnect between someone who is being sort of inactive, but still responds when prodded (Confused) and someone who posted a flurry of activity in a single (real) day, and has been completely absent for the 18 days following. And aside from how long that inactivity is, you're making an argument for gaining more net info, while advocating substitutions? Substitutions are terrible for information purposes. Its so jarring having a players entire behaviour and persona just shift. Its super detrimental to gaining any solid information when a player is swapping out continually. Especially the same character.

Also the being interested in CK conversation when your targeting CK doesnt automatically imply you're looking at me. Just that you're looking for your suspicions to be justified. But fair enough, great.

Im honestly not sure why Garren is voting for you, Im going to have to go back and re-read what he's referring to. But there's a good response, ask him to build on that vote and refresh our collective memory as to his motivations.

I'll save you some leg work. I'm voting for Fel because I believe his Cop shout-out is pure BS. The only information he has put forth from it was pointing at someone who was already on the chopping block and going 'yep. he's a goblin' and then being role-blocked for the entire time. Maybe the mafia do have a role-blocker. Maybe he is town and is also a cop. But that shout out he did was entirely pointless and has had the fun effect of making him beyond suspect for a day or two now and that just rubs me the wrong way.

I'm not advocating for anything but smart lynches, something we're in dire need right now.

Also, if I want to look at C_K, I'll keep it simple and say "I'm looking at C_K". When I say I'm looking at his conversation with you, I'm looking at him, at you and at anyone that says anything about the converstion.



Oh, great, we're back at this fallacy again. You're the only one that brought that up and haven't dropped it yet, Garren. I want to believe it's just because you have didn't re-read what actually happened in Day2, a mistake you can still correct. The reality, though, is that before the claim, Shock was far from dead. I said it before and I'm saying it again.

I...don't recall bringing this up at all before. I mean I've been thinking it but I don't think I have mentioned it before now. I may be wrong but I can't really recall. I will go back and re-read day 2 but as far as I recall while he wasn't quite dead yet there wasn't exactly any other names on the block that day. I still think the cop shout was at best detrimental to town.