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"Nearly foolproof". Can you expand on that? I mean, I gave the numbers behind it - if we don't lynch at all until D6, the game will already be over.
I don't need to find a loophole, as there's no loop. Trying to start a wagon to not lynch gives the mafia a win. Unless your crazy idea that mafia can't win unless all town is killed is correct - I have no reason to believe that, since it spits in the face of every other game I've seen.

So - if I'm understanding correctly, for your foolproof plan to work....

You need to be alive till D6.
We can't lynch anyone until then.
Mafia has to not night kill you on N2/N3/N4/N5.
SE can't kill anyone.
You have to be correct that the game does not end when the mafia has the majority.
So, by that, on D6, there will be 3 mafia alive and 2 town, but as long as you are one of them, you town wins?

Is that it? Or am I missing something?

Yeah - that seems to incredible to me. It seems much more likely that you are scum, and trying to dig yourself out of a hole by telling more lies. To me, it seems MUCH easier to win by finding out who the scum is.

For you, Zinger, I think it's most likely that you are scum. And, just behind that in the likely scale, you are a 3rd party that can only win (just you, not everyone else) if you are still alive.

Again, the fact that you need to be alive to win is a huge red flag to me. My living has no direct impact on if I win or not.

Why is it I want to guess he's a "Fool" role now? Oh well....

~SE++

Neo, your statement implies that I need to be alive for town to win, which I never said.

Also, typically Mafia teams win when it becomes no longer possible for Town to win. This is why in most games the Mafia needs to only outnumber the Town (because at that point it becomes impossible for Town to win), but in THIS game there IS a way for Town to win even if the Mafia outnumber them. This is why it is not only possible, but in fact likely that the game doesn't end when Mafia outnumbers the town.

I'm calling you scum not because you're voting me, but because you're ignoring the logic behind what I am saying, which is either because you're ignorant or because you're scum and want to poke holes in my logic bybang means necessary. I don't think you're ignorant, ergo, you're scum.

Really?
"I told you, I need to be alive for me to win"
"Neo, your statement implies that I need to be alive for town to win, which I never said"



If there was logic there, I would not ignore it. But, I don't believe you have any logic there.

Actually, there might be some logic there.
You say that you need to be alive for you to win. But, you are correct, you never said that you have to be alive for TOWN to win.

By your NLP, I think that clearly says that you are not town.

But please, continue to try and dig yourself out. And I'll keep quoting your hypocrisy.

From where I'm sitting it looks to me like Zinger has grossly misread the situation. But alas, I do not have all the information he has, only what he's given out so far. But I find his no lynch plan and trying to drag the game out to day six inadvisable, especially given he's stated he has a dual win con and the game does not need to go that long for him to win.

Neo you are twisting my words.

Neo is scum because he is trying to get me to admit one way or the other if my knowledge that town auto wins on day six requires me to be alive or not. The only reason you could want that info is if you were scum, because that info in the open doesn't aid town it only aids scum. If you were town you wouldn't want me to answer that question because it would only help scum.

But it's a moot point because I've not answered that question. That would be stupid, regardless of the answer.

I've quoted you right there; there's no need for me to twist anything.



But, you've already answered that.



But, as you say:



So, right there, you say that for you (Zinger) to win, you need to be alive. But, you say that you don't need to be alive for town to win.

The only way you can win is to be alive. Which, since being alive is not part of my win-con, means that we have different win-cons, which leads me to the conclusion that you are not town aligned.

Which is why my vote is staying on you. I point out clear, specific inconsistencies in your posts and your actions, using quotes, and all I get is "you're twisting my words" and "Neo is scum".

Honestly, I don't care if you explain any more about your role or win-con, with what you've already said and done, I don't see any reason to start believing you now...

Wait, how have you not answered that question? You clearly said that you need to be alive to win.

Whatever, Neo. You're quite obviously mafia. You're not even reading what I say. You're just looking for what you can use against me.

The most damning thing about Neo's arguments is that he ignored wgen I posted my wincon. Likely cuz he's Mallet-aligned.

Dude, fighting with me was not the answer. I was trying to live and let live. Now you gonna die. Just plain stupid.

That's something we can agree on. I'm decided about you, so continuing this argument just allows the rest of the mafia to hide.

And, there's more than enough hiding going on.

May as well Vote: NeoSilk, then.

Lets see how Scarlet responds

Vote: No Lynch


Seriously though, Zinger, assuming the No Lynch works, you want us to not lynch anyone while believing your words when you could be mafia? Or a 3rd party for that matter?

Vote: No Lynch

Bold, bold, bold, bold, bold.

Yes, Confused, that is what I am suggesting. However, if we nail a scum it would increase our odds of reaching Day 6.

I'm pretty confident NeoSilk is scum. His conversation with me is supporting evidence because it suggests he was carrying out another conversation on the subject elsewhere, before rebutting me here, which is why he got some key details in his rebuttals wrong (because he was paying more attention to his secondary conversation than his primary one).

I'd be happy with e No Lynch or a NeoSilk lynch today.

Voting no lynch is a terrible option at this point. No information, and we know we're down a player, no matter what Zinger is saying.

Since you're not letting it drop, you say I twisted your words, but I quoted them right there. I point out specific examples of where you've contradicted yourself, and you ignore it. You say I'm not reading your posts, but your responses make it clear that you've not read (or understood) mine. You have an elaborate plan to win, not by catching scum, but by doing nothing, and getting no info for town. You make wild accusations without providing one single example, but I'm the scum?

In case anyone misunderstood, I am not voting for no lynch here. I just wanna see Scarlet's choice regarding it.

Official Vote Count
Zinger
NeoSilk

No Lynch
Zinger
Confused

Deadline is Saturday 31-01 1800 GMT+1
9 players alive, 5 to lynch.