I propose Mown, Neosilk and myself.

When did I ever say look at my mafia history Except for my last post (because you'd do it too )?

I said, I care about my mafia history. I learn from my mistakes. I have my own set of rules for what I do or do not do in mafia games based on my experiences. I pointed out an example from a game that happened here. I never asked you to look at it. I brought it up to show an example of what I meant as "rule".

You say go away meta talk.

I say there's a difference between meta talk and explaining my logic. Everything that happened before this point has an impact reagardless of whether you want to acknowledge it or not.

Finally I say just look, it's not an isolated case.

Mission is rejected.

Yeah... but seeing as they can't communicate how do the know who is going to fail the mission?
If they both fail it, we know that mission had both spies.
If they both pass it, who cares we get a point.
Only if one passes and one fails do they succeed in getting a point and keeping us in the dark.

Again, they can't communicate except through hidden messages publicly.

BH - This is why you are awesome

Altimis, you're a spy. The only one remotely even getting close to agreeing with anything you've blathered on is Arrrgggh, your spy buddy, who was happy to finally have someone on his team who hadn't completely gone belly up on the game. But then you continued to dig a hole that was beyond getting out of and I feel that even he may have abandoned you to your fate.

The three man mission should be the one that Roaring Mouse suggested.

The four man mission should be RM, Neosilk, Mown and BH.

If either of those fail then I tip my hat to the spy team for just standing by while Shockwave dug a grave and Altimis jumped in it and threw a tea party.

BH doing the logic dance does not make him awesome.
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As a side note: i vote no because it's a team with my original top suspects. Even if one of them has been cleared (in my opinion).

I will feel very sorry for rebel loss then.

You have no proof.
You have no proof.
This is actually probably true.
I disagree.
No it shouldn't. It will most-likely fail.
No it shouldn't. This will definitely fail.

Get a big hat ready, it'll make tipping it that much easier when you go on the missions with your supposed teams.

==xx==

If you, and or anybody can prove to me beyond a reasonable doubt that I'm a spy, I'll shut up (while still voting).
Otherwise, stop dealing in absolutes, and actually try to figure out who the real spies are. And until my above proposal happens (it won't), I'll continue to search for spies.

You got mad a shockwave07 from keeling over and quitting, because he became detrimental. Now you're getting mad at me for doing the opposite, meanwhile trying to make me submit to the same behavior? Your arguments are loaded with hypocrisy when you complain about one thing where if I did the other thing you'd complain as well. I can tell that there is no pleasing you.
So why do I keep arguing?
Because I'm not just gonna let spies win. Simple as that.
That doesn't mean I'm right about who the spies are, but I can tell you that you need to look for someone else besides me.

My offer still stands: Prove to me that I'm a spy, and I'll stop while still moving the game along.

I must admit that I'm impressed BH. I didn't actually expect you to be able to make me second guess myself with regards to your identity.

Anyway, I'm going to go ahead and be in favor of this mission.

My vote has been cast already.

I'll be heading to work soon

41 hours remain in this voting period. I have received 4 PMs.

(sorry, gotten very little sleep lately if you caught me accidentally almost ending the round early a moment ago)

~SE++

@BH - in your breakdown, you had Mouse and I listed as having both been on the failed 4 man group - that's not correct, Mouse was not on that mission.

From my breakdown, the most likely are:
Mown/Mouse
Silk/Mouse
Alt/Aaarrrgh
Alt/BH

Assuming that the spies can't talk to one another (which would make this almost impossible for the town to win). While I'd like to say that no spy would vote pass on a mission with another spy on it, I have to believe that type of gambit is somewhat common here, as losing 1 mission due to both spies voting pass would be better (overall) for the spies vs both spies voting to fail...really (to me) makes this tough.

Since I'm still convinced that Alt is a spy, and there is no way for Alt and RM to both be spies, I'm going to vote yes for this mission.

So, other than that, we have both Alt and BH posting quite a bit, but both making large errors in their critical thinking. Since Alt/BH is one of the "most likely" teams....I'm still thinking that there's a good chance they are both spies.

I'm torn. First, I want to be clear: the only reason I even slightly considered the possibility that altimis might be resistance was because he made me think BH might be honest, and I know that if BH is innocent, then so is altimis. But now BH has, through being overly zealous in disproving altimis' theories, once again convinced me that it is the two of them who are the spies. Sorry, BH, I thought we could be friends, but I see that I will have to fight you to the death. Unless of course we are both wrong, and this mission will be the end of the game. But that is a risk I'm willing to take, because at least then I know exactly what I'm up against.

A color tag copy paste mistake. Noted.

Kindly point out the large errors ive made so I can address them.

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Especially your 'Logic Dance' it appears to be a responde to my explaining how multiplying percentages work to RM.
If that wasn't in response to that post, then which?

Where did you explains multiplying percentages? When calculating probabilities for two independent events you multiply the two individual probabilities. When two things are not independent you have to use conditional probabilities i.e given A then B.

I'm pretty sure you were just talking about excluding pairs that were on the same mission because in your opinion that wasn't likely, even though of the five choices for the four man team (excluding shockwave since he wasn't going to get chosen anyway) 2 were spies.

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Especially your 'Logic Dance' it appears to be a responde to my explaining how multiplying percentages work to RM.
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Its not a logic dance...its a guy screwing logic...an apt metaphor for your arguements in the last few pages.

My innocence doesnt confirm Altimis' ...for example I can be town and Altimis and Arrrgggh can be scum.

Given the quotes around Logic Dance, it shows I know its not a dance. I chose to ignore the crude gesture for the sake of more-beneficial communication.

@RM: You do not understand. I'm ot removing those pairs saying, They can't be spies. I'm removing them with the intention of starting with the greatest potential spies first. Then goimg through Votes and seeing what doesn't make sense. Then expanding to those I prebiously deemed improbable.