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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 6:39 am 
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No they don't.

But fighting for another lynch and campaigning for influence wouldn't hurt. I'm seeing neither from you and your friends today. The only reason I didn't reply to Zinger yet is because he made one last push for conversation so close to deadline Day 1. By the time I noticed it, it was already Night.

I stated my intentions to you a couple of days ago, and they haven't changed after I carried it out, it only reinforced it. We could have had an actual conversation if you replied in actual English instead of weird metaphors for who knows what.
I haven't been very subtle with Rubik either, but he just kept talking about killing me.
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Hey monarchs, if you don't want to wake up tomorrow with knives in your backs vote here. Because a knife in the back is all you can expect from these traitorous Democrats. They've already killed KoD so they can act like they can take the game hostage. Show them what you do to people who make empty threats.

Killing KoD was an act of virtue signaling. I killed a fascist, which puts us at odds with that team, although Niklor isn't upset at me for killing KoD, he's upset that I didn't do it for the sake of petty revenge. I also took KoD's ability, which would put us at odds with communists if we used them. I made myself enemies to make alliances more clear. It was also to swing the numbers further in that direction.
Zinger really didn't have much agency in the discussion. I told him about it roughly an hour before it ended, and he hardly read it immediately, which was the first time he learned of my ability. I don't know about any alliance between KoD and Zinger, first I've heard of it, and if there was one, I'm the one that ended it. Don't really know what the fallout between you is about, except what you said to each other.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 6:55 am 
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@Zinger - you are wrong on a few things there. However, as far as I can tell (and I tried to corner him) Zinger has not actually lied. He's skirted the truth a bit, but I've not seen him lie.

Fable should have some good information now, as do I. Most people seem to have figured out my role/ability, but not everyone, I think.

And, I'm pretty sure (again, Fable could confirm this) that the Dem's are not in control of KoD's guns. His ability was a one use per game, and I fully expect that it was used last night.

I'd be interested in an alliance with the dems, if there was any way that I could believe that such an alliance would hold through the end game...

Wait, so you fakeclaimed monarchist, but were a fascist?

I'm a bit behind following who is and isn't in each Group.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 6:56 am 
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And that was supposed to be a private message.


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Lol, welcome to the game, HW. :P

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I only fakeclaimed monarchy (in a PM...) to one person, to try and get some info. I've never claimed to be a fascist.

I could let you know who's in each group, but what would be the fun/point in that, since you're not part of any factions....

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@Neo, you know where to find my inbox.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 8:14 am 
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Again I'll repeat kill numbers and what draw do the democrats actually have? Why align with the equivalent of a house of cards? Pull one and the whole thing will fall.


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Fable your argument has one inherent flaw in it.

Course I'm not going do you the favour of pointing out what it is.

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What the fact that the guy with all the power in your group can't even talk to people outside the game so you can't even coordinate with him in secret?

lol real good thing you got going there zinger.


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So, don't lynch numbers then? What kind of ludicrous logic is that? Why would you measure the worth of an ally by what happens if you oppose them?
What if they don't decide to lynch numbers? What can you even do about it? Where is the downside?

What is the draw of the communists? How are you anything but a burden?

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Why would you not take out a potential enemy if you had the chance? The democrats are the only ones here that have shown their whole hand, they have no more surprises left of that I'm certain. Lynch numbers and all the dems are are a vanilla player and a cop variant that more or less knows everyone's alignment already anyway. You guys are dead in the water, meanwhile the communists have powers that continue to be relevant. The communists are far stronger and have far more information as well the the potential to continue to gain information late into the game, we're far more useful than you useless democrats.


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The ball is in the fascists court. If I don't die today, they will be getting guns, forcing them to oppose the communists. So they need to decide right here and now if they want to risk everything on siding with the commies, or if they feel their chances are better writing off the commies (and maybe one of their own). Of course this will likely also dictate how the rest of the game sides with/against them as well so they shouldn't take this decision lightly.

And I trust HW completely since I know what his entire role is.

@fable, two things, rag told me the entire demo/commie group on just the assumption I was demo so don't put too much faith in what other people are willing or not willing to put out there. Also zinger wasn't the lying demo...

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So we're giving our guns to the Fascists now? Why them and not the monarchs?

And Fable, what does the commie team even have? You're a glorified watcher.

Besides, nobody but the Fascists can deal with the commies unless they plan to kill off one of their own.

Though with Fable at the wheel, that wouldn't surprise me.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 9:18 am 
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lol look at that amazing coordination between democrats! xD

Truly you are a dangerous faction to be feared! xD


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Also Fable is missing the point anyway. His premise assumes we'd use the guns to take out the likes of the monarchs or Fascists.

That's not a likely outcome at this point. Why would they kill us when we promise to use our weapons to kill a mutual foe?

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Okay except those guns make you commit suicide. Who's gonna commit suicide for you?


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You're right Fable. They shouldn't fear us. That's the point.

Especially if we're communicating in the open like this. We speak plainly. There are no secrets. No risks of betrayal.

They shouldn't fear us. That's exactly why they shouldn't kill us. It's your backstabbing ass they should fear.

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Okay except those guns make you commit suicide. Who's gonna commit suicide for you?

Only if the commies are alive at the end of the game.

They won't be.

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Fable wrote:
Why would you not take out a potential enemy if you had the chance?

Are there groups of people in this game that are not potential enemies? Did I not just explain that we have less potential to be enemies than others?
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The democrats are the only ones here that have shown their whole hand, they have no more surprises left of that I'm certain. Lynch numbers and all the dems are are a vanilla player and a cop variant that more or less knows everyone's alignment already anyway.

Several people fail to understand the current situation, you included, so I wouldn't put much trust in that statement. Besides, so what? I don't see why that is relevant. If the monarchs knows everyone's role, and we know everyone's alignment, what kind of metaphorical rug are you going to pull from under our feet?
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You guys are dead in the water, meanwhile the communists have powers that continue to be relevant. The communists are far stronger and have far more information as well the the potential to continue to gain information late into the game, we're far more useful than you useless democrats.

I'm unconvinced you contribute anything but an inability to use two night kills.

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...You gave Numbers the "you lose if commies live" card didn't you?

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