Well that's a development.

If I know one thing about Zinger (aside from his NLP and all that jazz) it's that he's pretty pro-cult as a player. I'm not shocked he might swing on me based on that and it doesn't strictly mean he's the alignment-changer or already changed, but it still seems reasonable for me to VOTE: ZINGER at this juncture.

I can see Rag's argument for gunning for Amber right now but it seems like Amber is highly unlikely to be Red Team Scum, whereas that's still a possibility in Zinger's case.

vote:zinger

yeah im down

one mafia aligned cult seems more likely to me than both a cult and a mafia (both because it would be hard to balance double threats in a 10 player game and because we have had no confirmed NKs).

its possible storm didn't start the game as mafia, for instance.

That's absolutely possible, but it's also likely in my mind that the "Cult" may have other controls rather than just being a cultafia. You know, aside from my role existing. A group of finite expansion, or that has to utilize the inheritance mechanic somehow, could function as a second threat alongside, probably, a 2-man maf.

So, a few suppositions. I think anyone who has played with Zinger before and was dealt a cult leader would probably cult Zinger on priority based on knowing he loves cults. Limits the chance of being backstabbed by your first recruit playing to their starting rather than current alignment. I'm not sure who leader Zinger would go for, other than probably not KoD, so I can't tell so much from Zinger's behavior if he's been culting people. He does have his NLP, which means he was telling the truth about his Thief power, but I think it's possible for him to omit information? Especially if culting were to be alignment-derived?

I'm going down a rabbit hole of madness I did not want to enter, trying to outguess the mod on what non-busted cult mechanics might be for a game of this scale.

Town

Abi is probably town according to multiple sources because of her protective role.

Amber's claim of surviving multiple attacks is intriguing und makes her seem likely to be town. However, Rag’s recent vote on Amber brings a new perspective zat needs consideration.

Cait vas in jail, which put her out of play for a while. Her interactions have been relatively transparent und logical, but she seems a bit too eager to control ze narrative sometimes.

Tevish has shared some intriguing theories, particularly about alignment changes. However, his thoughts on potential cult mechanics und his role interaction make me a bit uneasy.

KoD has been very active und influential. Ze only thing zat raises suspicion is zat he is playing very normally, which could be a strategy to avoid standing out.

Rag has been very vocal und engaged. Vhile her reasoning seems logical, I have some gut feelings of suspicion, possibly due to her early vote on Lain und recent actions.

Zinger has been strategic und controlling ze narrative, which raises some red flags. Recent suspicions about potential cult behavior und ze votes against him are noteworthy. (Maybe it's just because I lost to cults a couple times before.)

Mafia

Based on all zis, I am particularly interested in further investigating Zinger due to ze recent discussions about cult behavior und his strategic moves. I am also wary of KoD because he is not standing out much, und it feels a bit off. Rag und Tevish give me mixed feelings, und I am open to hearing more thoughts on them.

Any points I might have missed or misinterpreted?

Let me help you out with that terribad analysis of yours.

Were I a cult leader, I would always target Freddeh first. If Freddeh is not a playing in the game, I would probably target you, Tevish, second. Why you? Because of your play in A Spider-Man Mafia 3, mostly. I know you have a GIFT for leading Town astray, and I'd want that on my team. So if I were cult leader, in the absence of a Freddeh, odds are high you'd be cult with me right now.

I would almost never target KoD unless I was already doomed, and even then it would only be out of spite. Which, I guess, to your credit you did get correct.

My alignment has not changed this game. I think yours has, though.

Mafia since Day 1? ;P

Lol maybe.

Kill me and find out. Then I can focus on KoD Must Die 2.

i feel like zinger and tevish are having an oot argument and its spilling into the thread

i still think amber is the best lynch today. in the case that amber is a don/cult leader and they converted storm n1 and someone else last night we have 2 scum (including amber) alive and 6 town. if we mislynch today and amber converts again tonight, that makes tomorrow 3 vs 4, which is a pretty tight LyLo. even in the event amber is a don/cult leader they probably don't have unrestricted recruiting, but the point is the numbers could be a lot worse than they look right now, and they could get worse quickly in the event of a cult.

I'd be willing to throw a vote on zinger if the amber wagon doesn't take off but i do think its something people should consider

You aren't entirely wrong.

But you aren't entirely right either.

IF we are dealing with a cult, then I will admit that Amber's claim of dodging a bullet two nights in a row is LIKELY a ploy by the cult to lead people to believe that we are dealing with a traditional Mafia, when in fact we aren't. That'd make Amber either cult leader herself or the Night 1 conversion, with Steve being either the other of those two.

IF we are dealing with a cult, then it actually makes it way more credible that Steve's buddies bused him, throwing Steve to the wolves in order to pseudo-confirm the existence of a traditional "mafia" by way of his alignment reveal, in order to further hide the existence of a cult.

Now, those are big ifs, but I will admit that you're right that not acting on them immediately basically gives this hypothetical cult license to run away with the game.

I do love cults. I would like to see a cult win. But the idea that there is a traditional cult in this very game and I did not get immediately invited to join it Night 1 is such an insult that whoever this hypothetical cult leader is must die.

Unvote; Vote: Amber

If Rag's theories are true, amber, I'm going to make you regret not culting me.

To be honest, I don't feel convinced by ze reasons for voting Amber right now. Rag's theory is interesting, but I don't see enough evidence to support it. I'd rather vote for Zinger at zis point

Vote: Zinger

Zingers play don't makes sense from a mafia perspective tbh

Vote Count

KoD: Abi
Amber: Rag, Zinger
Zinger: Tevish, Amber

Dark needs a bold and Abs needs an unvote.

you are bold

vote: Zinger

Why thank you.

i think you guys are hallucinating a cult when there isn't one but im happy to die if you guys think it will help
i don't think after d1 i'd have much of a reason to draw attention to myself if i was cult/leader by claiming i was shot
i think it's much more likely that if an alignment change exists it's a defector type role

i'd also be interested to see tevish's role so we can understand what makes him think that way, if we're going to lynch based on the claim

vote: Amber

Sheeping Abbi and Rag