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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:15 am 
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Naga being town means Rag was scum, JD isn't likely to be scum considering how they were one of the major forces getting her lynched so that only leaves Sky left

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Also Ex is going to revisit his claim today. Add details he didn't mention earlier. It should clear everything up.
I'm not sure what else to say lol I guess there's only nameclaim left?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:17 am 
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Naga wrote:
That doesn't solve our dilemma though. Dark protected me, and Ex said that they blocked Dark. Ex lying seems pretty simple about that, or something else is going on.

You still haven't said what your role is too.

Skystone had some unusual activity the last few days to be fair
and I wouldn't be surprised if he did this just so they could make it to a MyLo with a larger PoE


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:18 am 
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by this I mean possibly holstering


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:29 am 
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So you're comfortable asserting that despite day ending almost 2 days earlier you and not you scum both happened to be active enough to create a 30 minute night?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:42 am 
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JayDreven wrote:
So you're comfortable asserting that despite day ending almost 2 days earlier you and not you scum both happened to be active enough to create a 30 minute night?

I'm not sure if I follow
I'd assume me and scum were both around EoD-Night start yea


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:52 am 
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I woke up at uh 2:47AM (10:46AM rn in my timezone) and was just potatoing around in other places

I had just seen Skystone hammering and was trying to post something but then tevish announced the end of the day in the preview thing
so I submitted my action targeting Naga last night

I'd assume it's not too absurd to think Sky would also been around that time since they had just hammered Dark


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:10 am 
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I think using time online is pretty sketch, but JD makes a good point.

That being said, Sky was on at 1:50 last night, which is before night, but could have sent a result in pre-EoD.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:11 am 
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For the record, night started and ended in the middle of the night for me. I'm in bed usually by 10PM my time and wake up around 6 AM, well on either side of the night.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:23 am 
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I disagree. It's a **** point. There's nothing that says targets can't be put in early. What I have been doing today is gauging Ex on a visceral level by swinging at him from a non common standpoint.

I'll make a post later about why everybody in the game is super suspect, but for now I'll just lay down the proposal that we no lynch and force a traditional LyLo.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:25 am 
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The rules say that no lynch is not a thing. A random vote leader will be lynched instead. If there are no votes, I assume a random player would be lynched.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:33 am 
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I'd be fine with a traditional LyLo


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:34 am 
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Naga wrote:
The rules say that no lynch is not a thing. A random vote leader will be lynched instead. If there are no votes, I assume a random player would be lynched.

oh nevermind then lol


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:06 pm 
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JayDreven wrote:
I'll make a post later about why everybody in the game is super suspect, but for now I'll just lay down the proposal that we no lynch and force a traditional LyLo.

Suggesting that we do the one thing guaranteed to kill us also puts you in the suspicious camp.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:48 pm 
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You presume I wasn't already including myself. Further my suggestion does not effect the outcome of the day. Only the means by which we get there.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:47 pm 
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Thoughts:

1. The remaining scum must be Exlight or Jay. Naga is effectively cleared by his interactions with others. Obviously, I know that I am not scum.

2. The case for Exlight is simple. The contradiction that arises from his supposed interaction with Darkstar is a strong indication of scumminess now that we have determined Darkstar's alignment. Given that Darkstar was the doctor, and presuming (but see further down) that scum attempted a night kill, the evidence presumes to point to Exlight as our culprit.

Exlight 'blocking' Naga is not indicative of alignment, as Naga was all but essentially confirmed as town. In fact, there is no coherent reason why Exlight ought to have roleblocked Naga at all -- the likelihood of Naga being a source of night kills was negligible; town had already (presumably lost a power role); and there was no especially meaningful information to conceivably be gleaned from this course of action.

3. The contraindication of scum Exlight is the extent to which this plan is poorly thought out. It is risky for him, as the last remaining scum, to propose a 50/50 trade for a doctor. Perhaps he thought he could last one more night? However:

4. The contrary claims of Exlight and Darkstar are solvable if we assume that there was no night kill. As it happens, with 6 living players, the expected time to a scum victory doesn't change (6/4/W and 5/3/W are for all practical purposes identical). In fact, scum's odds might be improved insofar as the 4 person 'lylo' is more prone to error. To that end, Jay ought to be a primary suspect, as he is the one who led the Dark-Ex charge.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:59 pm 
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What is your ability Sky?

I'm increasingly suspicious of JD as well.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:58 pm 
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I am vanilla town.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:56 pm 
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Skystone wrote:
JayDreven wrote:
I'll make a post later about why everybody in the game is super suspect, but for now I'll just lay down the proposal that we no lynch and force a traditional LyLo.

Suggesting that we do the one thing guaranteed to kill us also puts you in the suspicious camp.
to be fair it kinda went over my head too
do you really think JD would hard bus Rag that early in the game though?


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 12:29 am 
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Skystone wrote:
Thoughts:

1. The remaining scum must be Exlight or Jay. Naga is effectively cleared by his interactions with others. (...)

2. (...) Exlight 'blocking' Naga is not indicative of alignment, as Naga was all but essentially confirmed as town. In fact, there is no coherent reason why Exlight ought to have roleblocked Naga at all -- the likelihood of Naga being a source of night kills was negligible; town had already (presumably lost a power role); and there was no especially meaningful information to conceivably be gleaned from this course of action.
I'm not sure which interactions you mean here. Can you elaborate?

I tried discussing this last Day Phase, but there was the possibility Naga and CL was the actual scum team.
Don't forget that we were under the assumption Rag was scum purely because Naga said so, but if that was a lie the interpretation of the wagons was backwards.

By blocking Naga I could exclude the possibility of him being scum properly, and confirm the flip and role of everyone that flipped so far, which wouldn't be possible if I hadn't done so. I could've blocked you instead, it was purely a coin flip at this point because you two were the remaining ones in my PoE.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 12:30 am 
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Also JD being the last scum makes literally no sense

Would they really bus Rag that early? And why would they kill KoD who's been kinda sheeping them the whole game?
Sure, he was town confirmed, but his vote being on scum side would matter more, right?


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