Death Miller? Is that like the joker talk from the last game? The "if you lynch me, I win"? No, not that anyone would believe me anyway...nothing like that.

death miller is someone who shows up as mafia when lynched, even though not.

I was actually thinking reverse death miller, scum who shows up town when lynched. but anyway, not a bastard game so not an actual possibility.

I'm not there for the same reason I was in the replacement list: I need to pass various (university) exams until the 25th.

More tomorrow,since is well past midnight here in Europe.

I didn't say, or mean to suggest that you were fake claiming. I was looking at information based on your claim. He was someone that could be on the infernos team, but also someone that helped dante. Flavor wise.




Since you know that the circle 6 seems to affect most players, what makes you still suspect Razorborne?

Been to *censored* lazy here. Getting rolling.

After reading both sides again, I like numbers argument better, but I still need to read neo's posts again(see third paragraph).

I wish shock forgot to post one more day so that the day ended on 26th but whatever.

I don't have time to read the whole thread until the 25th, so I'm trying to skim all posts by a couple of users each day instead.

As I said I liked number posts, he really points out how much neo's line of play is illogical.

AArgh wanted a no lynch, so the divine most likely have a nightkill and we have a doc or some other protective role.

Altimis has been one of the most active posters, and his posts aren't to much fluffy even if they are long, seems like he's trying to get things done.

Fel...did nothing all game, other than trying to get others to claim information and suggesting a no lynch D1

Fel, where are you? What do you think of the current debate?

Alright, stuff has been busy for me in the last few days but I think I'm coming back with a bang.
I lied.
I do not have a restriction on giving way circle information. I misread how people can move and thought it would be terrible if everyone would know everything. That's why I didn't mention it.

So without further ado, Circle info:
1) Nothing special
2) Votes do not count unless they are for No Lynch.
3) +1 for your lynch threshold
4) Vote counts for 1,5
5) Voting for someone who is voting you is twice as strong.
6) When you vote someone, you get a ghost vote against you
7) You get 2 votes, but can't vote twice for the same person
8) Vote counts for 0,5
9) You can vote by PM-ing the mod

The reason of this change of heart? All this circle speculation is keeping us from scumhunting. So it's better to have it in the open.
And the limit on how far people can move in circles means that is not as bad as I anticipated if everything comes out.

So now that we all know this, you can all go ahead and make a game plan. Perhaps calculate how much Canto's it'll take before you get to the area you want to go.

Oh MAN!
There goes my goal of the game!
C'mon Scarlet! It's like spoilers! Hey everybody Darth Vader is Luke's father!

Ugh, I'm disgusted! Vote: altimis

What we learned

Neosilk wasn't affected by circle 8 either.

Garren doesn't have to publicly vote.

Shockwave07 voting again last canto without unvoting would have been interesting.

I'm sure there is some other stuff. I'm going to go back and see if there was anything strange in the vote counts now that we know what the circles do. I'm pretty confident in Scarlet's information since my home circle wasn't revealed yet and he put it down correctly.

Well with that out of the way, this canto should be moving forward faster now.
Oh, and I'm not actually disgusted Scarlet. No hard feelings.

I'm back from my amazing weekend at ConBravo!

I see our 120 hour timer has begun. Will get to updating this with a votecount when I have a chance.

Scarlet what are your thoughts on the current conversation: neosilk vs 15377?

Aww come on Scarlet! I was having a blast messing with Neo by doubling up his votes and making everyone scratch their heads. Talk about killing the party. Guess I'll have to have to find a new way to amuse myself.

No what you were doing was preventing us from scum hunting. Vote Garren_Windspear

Aww come on can't a guy have a little fun in these things? Aren't we all supposed to be evil here? Besides you want to revenge kill someone you should kill Scarlet. She's the one who just flat told everyone they can vote in secret. I expect the 9th circle to become all kinds of crowded right now.

Or we could get up to floor 1 and just play normal mafia. Just saying.

*then again, most of you are probably too far away to make it here before the game ends*

Seven and nine look like the least dangerous ones to amass players in as long as we are careful, the mafia would still need to get the same number of townies on a wagon for a lynch and since it seems that we can vote normally in nine we can just lynch whoever loses their normal vote if someone tries to ghostvote,same with the second vote in seven.

And mafia moving to 6 and 8 would really not be a problem.

So, Tiny complied the info on who was in which circle here

I was planning on doing both days here, but, with how long this is taking, there's no way I'm doing Canto 2 today.

First vote count:


So, Shock was in 7, so this is his first vote. I vote alt, he re-votes me, getting two votes, and razor gets the ghost vote for voting Scar.

But, I'm in 8, so, my vote should have been 0.5, not a full one.

2nd vote count:



I switch to Razor, still at a full vote. HW's vote counts for 1.5, as it should. Soup self votes, and should be at 2, since he should have gotten the ghost vote against him, but he doesn't.

3rd Vote Count



So...Scar was at one, Tiny votes for him, and he jumps to 4. Tiny's vote is worth 1.5, so, somehow Scar has another 1.5 votes on him. I don't see how that can be. A vote to the mod would only be 1, with Razor/Tiny voting for Scar, that should be 2.5 votes. So, there has to be something else going on there.
Story votes for HW but it doesn't count. Alt moves around, ends up on himself for the single vote. HW votes for Story, which is correctly 1.5 votes.

Next count:



Razor moves votes, gets a ghost vote against him, and his vote on tiny is worth 1. HW moves to Argh, with the correct 1.5 votes, and Scar is down to 3, with only Tiny (who's vote is worth 1.5) on him.

Next count



Tiny moves his 1.5 vote over to numbers. Hello world moves his 1.5 vote over to Argh. Argh notes for garren (1), and numbers votes for me. And his vote is worth 1.

Next one:



And the bandwagon on me. Razor votes me, increasing his count to 4. Alt votes for me, since I'm no longer voting for him, it's only 1.

And, the final vote, I vote for numbers, and it's worth 1.

So, what do we learn from this? First, we learn that I need another monitor at home, with all of the windows that are open...

Assuming what Scar said about the circles is correct, which, after writing this, I believe it to be.


Shockwave claimed 7, which is 2 votes, but only voted once, and pretty early on. It was worth one vote, so he could be telling the truth on where he was.

Story claimed 2, where votes don't count unless they are "no lynch" - he did vote once, and it didn't seem to count.

Garren claimed 9, where you PM in your vote, never openly voted, and, from what I saw from Canto 1, he might have voted for Scar. But that seems to be the only place where the votes didn't add up.

Argh claimed 3, +1 to your lynch threshold. He only ever voted for Garren, and it counted 1.

HW claimed 4, where votes count for 1.5. He voted a few times, and it always counted for 1.5

Tiny also claimed 4, where votes are 1.5, voted, and it always counted for 1.5

Fel - Fel never voted. At least, not openly. There was a point where Scar had an extra 1.5 votes on him. I'm thinking that Fel has a special ability to vote via PM, and he did it on Scar, and that was the extra 1.5 votes.

Soup claimed 6, where you get the ghost vote. He voted for himself, but only got 1 vote, which went away when he unvoted.

Razor claimed 6, and clearly got ghost votes whenever he voted.

Scar is of all circles. Or something like that. Scar never openly voted. But I'm guessing the mystery vote on Scar was not a self vote.

Numbers - never claimed. Voted for me, it was worth 1.

Silk claimed 8, where votes count for 0.5. When I voted, it was worth 1.

So, my breakdown:

NeoSilk - either I'm lying about the circle I'm in, or it didn't effect me
Razorborne - clearly telling the truth
Shockwave07 - voted for me early, and never swayed. Can't prove or disprove his circle.
15377 - no comment
Hello World - clearly telling the truth about his circle
GobO_Scarlet - well, it seems like the circle info is true
Altimis - clearly telling the truth
storyteller - clearly telling the truth.
felbatista - like I said, I think he's telling the truth, but can PM votes
seTiny - clearly telling the truth about his circle
Garren_Windspear - hidden votes, how did it come to this?
rstnme - either he's lying about the circle he's in, or it doesn't effect me
Argh - again, one vote, can't prove/disprove his circle. But, he's dead now anyway. Assuming Divine know each other (which is a stretch) might push HW a bit more inferno.

Since I know my alignment, this makes me believe rstnme is also inferno, since both he and I don't seem to be effected by the circles. I'm guessing that Scar is comedy, and has some type of hidden agenda, could be anything, maybe a win-con of getting all of the players into a specific or the same circle. Fel, I think can PM votes, but that doesn't tell me anything about the alignment. Those are pretty much the best reads I have right now. I still think that numbers is divine, or maybe some odd comedy alignment. I don't like that he's the only one not providing information, and I still really believe he's the best option to lynch right now.

I'll go through Canto 2 tomorrow and see if any of the reads change.

And, based on the circle stats, I'm thinking that 3 or 4 are the ones to be in, and I'll openly say that's where I'm headed. Since I can double move, I'll be in 4 next Canto (assuming I'm alive) and likely move to 3 the next one.