I have not spoken to CL outside of a game thread since A Spider-Man Mafia 3.

Though I will admit my frustration with him had started there, and only be exacerbated by this game.

They aren't, necessarily.

I have the power to call for a "recount", allowing votes made to JD to be changed. Debating using it now...

Big brain moment:

Zinger's NLP. Zinger claims to be a PR. Only town has PRs. Zinger is town.

Is this true?

I saw Rag said something about a partially open setup, but when I asked her for more clarification, she ignored me (see quoted posts, below). I say ignore and not miss because she posted the first post immediately after my question to her. Her ignoring my query about the setup isn't inherently scummy, though she has been pushing arguments of "I don't like Zinger this game", "He's overreacting with regard to CL and tht implies they are talking outside the thread", and "Skystone fanning flames for the sake of fanning flames is a good thing", coupled with her willingness to ignore my questions about the setup, suggest perhaps that she is actually more interested in undermining me than getting to the bottom of my alignment... Big sus toward Rag (also, footnote: Are you watching Sky? Here I am still playing the game and not throwing it—just because I am policy lynching CL doesn't mean I want town to lose).

If this has been a partially open setup, I have operated unaware of this 'till now. How my NLP interacts with the specifics of this setup is not a consideration I have made.

So here's the deal, from the mod perspective I've considered CL's behavior just skirting rule 8 so I made no action on it, especially since it dropped to the background yesterday. From my perspective, Zinger was retriggered by CL asking about his NLP again today which I didn't take as continuing the actions because I felt the question was valid from anybody's perspective given Zingers language choice. I could also see Zingers take given everything that preceded before. This friction between them isn't part of the game and isn't going to give you insight into the game because it's just a personal beef. If you want to let it derail the game I'll be unhappy to modkill both of them as well as anybody that decides to further fan any flames, as that is directly violating rule 8.

That's a good point. Jay's initial intention was to create a 'standard' mafia game, so it's much less likely than usual that any supposed PR mafia exists.

I suppose that Zinger could split hairs and claim that being vanilla mafia is by definition a power role because it comes with an ability, but that would probably invalidate his NLP in the eyes of most of the players here, and I'm willing to agree based on the testimony of others (you and Aaarrrgh in particular) that he wouldn't be willing to do that.

And honestly, voting Zinger on the basis that he's throwing the game is a lot less appealing when the chance of him flipping scum is effectively null. Combined with the mod chiming in just now, I'm inclined to shift my vote.

I can prove I have a power role. If I call for a recount (which will allow you and others to change your votes to JD), it will extend Day 2 by 48 hours, effectively repeating 2/3rds of the discussion phase to give y'all time to make your "recounted" votes again.

This would prove I have a power role, though I'm ignorant of where JD has claimed only Town has power roles. I haven't seen that post, and I've reread the game rules. Was it in the sign-up thread?

Kind of. The original draft of the sign-up thread (before Jay flavoured the game as an Among Us variant) indicated that we would be playing a basic game and that there would be 2 mafia, plus 1 town power role for each break point of 7/9/11 (?) players. The power roles were to be determined randomly.

I read it the same way as KoD: vanilla mafia + some number of power roles.

Considering the fact that we still have two players AWOL, it might be good to have an extension no matter what.

Presumably, I read that at some point cuz I signed up way before the Among Us flavour was added, but I honestly don't remember it.

In any event. I have a PR.

In a very technical sense, my NLP has a clause about alignment that says any statement which could verifiably prove I must be one alignment or another is exempt from the blanket of my NLP. So while your previous statement of "Does Zinger consider vanilla mafia to be a power role?" doesn't really hold water (because I don't), a statement about having a power role in a game where only one faction does would not be protected by my NLP. I would never dream of abusing the alignment clause of my NLP in this way though. That's like the equivalent of saying "I can lie about anything as long as I mention my alignment along with the lie", which is really a big violation of the spirit of my NLP in my opinion.

I'm uncomfortable by the fact that my NLP may have broken JD's game slightly (my NLP has never broken anybody's game before), but given I can prove the existence of my power role mechanically, whether I had a NLP or not, I guess it's acceptable to proceed with the knowledge of my claim.

I was actually slightly concerned about this, as it does seem sort of functionally game-breaking, so that's good to hear.

It does technically skew the game slightly toward town in the sense that you now come out of the situation as demonstrably pro-town while also retaining your ability. This is potentially remedied by using your PR anyway (to formally 'prove' the thing we now know you can prove), but it's probably not a big deal.

You're also probably a bigger scum target now, so it might be worthwhile to extend the discussion while you're still guaranteed to be able to participate.

Unvote, Vote: KoD

given zinger's confirmed he hasn't spoken to CL outside of a game thread its impossible for them to both be mafia and my case is groundless, so back to KoD i go

also the ice cream i just ate was super delicious

Big brain moment:

KoD was under limited-to-no pressure while a town player (me) was being led to the gallows for a mislynch by Rag, Sky, and CL, and he decides to come forward with this revelation to exonerate me anyway when he could have just sat back and watched me probably hang?

++Extra shiny town pants for KoD, IMHO.

Ninja Edit: Extra Sus Rag for fanning flames, ignoring direct questions, acting generally sus, and flip-flopping from one perceivably easy lynch candidate to another. Rag is getting pretty dang sus on my probable scum list now.

I am very likely to use my power toDay, but I can afford to wait until the last possible minute. Unless someone DayVigs me, I am fine to do it even after the Day has theoretically ended.

Rag re-targeting KoD absolutely is sus. The only scum play that willingly offers up pro-town information in this scenario is KoD attempting to embed himself as town, but it's still at significant cost.

@Rag: Why revote KoD?

I'm pretty sure it has something to do with Rag no longer having a case against Zinger. By default, Rag will go back to pushing her case on me over the lurker Amber PR hunt kill.

Fanning flames on people i think are scum, maybe. What direct question did i ignore? I may have just missed it. As for KoD being an easy lynch candidate, i wish that were the case. I feel like I'm the only one who's scum-read him to any degree all day, despite my efforts.



I'm not convinced scum has no power roles, though i suppose we could just as JD for confirmation

@JD: Is the number of power roles the town has confirmed? Is the number of power roles scum has confirmed? Is the number of scum confirmed?

I think KoD also tends to play a more pro-town game as scum than he does as town. I'm not convinced offering up pro-town information in the form he did is something he wouldn't be less likely to do as scum than town, though thinking about it more now it probably is true that scum KoD would possibly be willing to stand by why town zinger gets lynched. I think he'd also be fine defending zinger and earning town pants for it, and i don't know what the relative probability of either play is. In any case, I'm now treating it as a town-tell, though probably not a strong enough one to offset my read of him, just weaken it.

I'd still prefer KoD lynched right now than any one else though, barring perhaps rubik or naga if it seems likely that neither will show up and that having them modkilled isn't realistic, though I'd rather try to lynch scum today just because its more fun if nothing else.

The question was asking you what you meant by "partially open setup".

Direct question was here:
viewtopic.php?p=684251#p684251

7 minutes after I posted that question, you posted the very next post here, completely ignoring it:
viewtopic.php?p=684251#p684253

I then quoted it again here:
viewtopic.php?f=26&t=26609&start=300#p684422

Do you know if scum can communicate outside the game?

In among us, they can't, so it's possible it's true in this game for the sake of flavor.

Doesn't have any relevance to your actual original case, but it's an interesting thought.