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 Post subject: Re: All that Remains
PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2024 3:45 am 
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I will have to double check the vote counts again, but at worst I made a mistake.

Lain can shut the hell up dead people ain't supposed to be cross examining me anymore. Lol XD

I stole Steve's role. He was indeed a Travel Agent, and it works more or less exactly as he described it. Someone else now has the role of Theif (I'm told someone random).

Abi was Steve's daytime target, so she is confirmed Town unless I've been outsmarted by Steve, which I find highly unlikely.

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That would seem to tie things up very neatly, wouldn't it? But why would you drop Steve's target while it's still night? Shouldn't it be pretty basic to, ya know, not let the world know that someone is protected until that protection can be spoken of in the past perfect tense? Zinger, I feel like you're better than this.

I trust your NLP, but we all know it's NAI. However, that degree of trust means I would like to ask you to convey any message Abigail would like to share with the group.

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Sadly I lost said post but it's not that important anyway

I definitely think Zinger is mafia here;
1) It's a bit obvious, but, Zinger is the one to receive the role from Steve, perhaps Steve gave their role to a teammate?
2) When listing all wagons of D1, Zinger included all town ones on me/Rag/Lain, but the wagon on Steve was nowhere to be found
3) This is me being petty, but I'm still annoyed that my content got reduced to only filler. Zinger is very much intend on controlling the narrative and discrediting the other talkatice players

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 Post subject: Re: All that Remains
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Town
Rag
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Amber
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2024 6:34 am 
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15377 wrote:
Vote Count

Steve (2): Tevish
Storm (2): Rag
Abi (1): KoD
Rag (2): Tevish, Amber
Cait (2): Lain, Zings
Lain (3): Cait, Abi, Stormie Steve
Amber (1): Dark

If you think there's an error in there let me know.


I believe there are some errors. Some are matters of addition (I knowof no reason why Steve nor storm should be at 2), but the major one is that I'm listed as voting both Steve and Rag. This should be rag only.

Tevish pointing out they didn't actually vote Steve D1 is townie imo btw

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That would seem to tie things up very neatly, wouldn't it? But why would you drop Steve's target while it's still night? Shouldn't it be pretty basic to, ya know, not let the world know that someone is protected until that protection can be spoken of in the past perfect tense? Zinger, I feel like you're better than this.

I trust your NLP, but we all know it's NAI. However, that degree of trust means I would like to ask you to convey any message Abigail would like to share with the group.

I mean

Steve picked the target and was mafia, so mafia would know who is jailed

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cait's logic seems solid to me, particularly the part about zinger knowing steve's target.

Considering you no longer have the role and it appears disruptive in nature, it might be worth fullclaiming the thief role zinger, so that we can verify that the information you obtained was through it and not gained via you being teammates with steve.

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 Post subject: Re: All that Remains
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Considering you no longer have the role and it appears disruptive in nature, it might be worth fullclaiming the thief role zinger, so that we can verify that the information you obtained was through it and not gained via you being teammates with steve.


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You have drawn the town thief. In addition to setting your own bequeathal, you may also secretly change somebody else’s to you. In the event that person dies, you will receive their role but this ability will pass on to their original bequeathal in it’s place.

Town wins when all threats to them have been eliminated.

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That would seem to tie things up very neatly, wouldn't it? But why would you drop Steve's target while it's still night? Shouldn't it be pretty basic to, ya know, not let the world know that someone is protected until that protection can be spoken of in the past perfect tense? Zinger, I feel like you're better than this.

I trust your NLP, but we all know it's NAI. However, that degree of trust means I would like to ask you to convey any message Abigail would like to share with the group.


Maybe a misplay on my part, but I thought it more relevant to get more information out in the open, especially given I was so wrong about Rag and Abi.

If I end up screwing the town over into turning into Self-Aligned Spider clones, then so be it.

Yeah, I'll relay anything Abi says that she wants me to relay.

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 Post subject: Re: All that Remains
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Zinger2099 wrote:
Ragnarokio wrote:
Considering you no longer have the role and it appears disruptive in nature, it might be worth fullclaiming the thief role zinger, so that we can verify that the information you obtained was through it and not gained via you being teammates with steve.


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You have drawn the town thief. In addition to setting your own bequeathal, you may also secretly change somebody else’s to you. In the event that person dies, you will receive their role but this ability will pass on to their original bequeathal in it’s place.

Town wins when all threats to them have been eliminated.


and how did you find out steve's target?

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 Post subject: Re: All that Remains
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and how did you find out steve's target?

Steve's ability allows him to communicate with his target while they remain silenced by him. Because I inherited his role and can now talk to Abi, I know he targeted Abi.

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 Post subject: Re: All that Remains
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Abi says:
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I think I'm pretty much right on my town core right now

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 Post subject: Re: All that Remains
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I asked Abi what her core was, and Abi says:
Princess Abigail wrote:
I'm town
Cait town
Rag town
Amber town

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 Post subject: Re: All that Remains
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Caitlin0Ix wrote:
I definitely think Zinger is mafia here;
1) It's a bit obvious, but, Zinger is the one to receive the role from Steve, perhaps Steve gave their role to a teammate?

I used the Thief role to steal Steve's role from him. I now only have the Travel Agent role, and the Theif role has gone off to someone random because Steve didn't have a Will.

You can fact-check all of this stuff against my NLP because none of it is Alignment Indicative.

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 Post subject: Re: All that Remains
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Abi says:
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Please relay the following message

I can confirm the thief role exists as I inherited it this means Steve intended to give me his role what that means I see as one of 2 things

1. Steve gave me his role cause he know it would go to his scum partner anyways

2. Steve gave me his role cause he thought it would be functionally useless since my role is similar

I'm currently leaning towards Zingers role sounding scummier than not but I think it sounds more like a neutral 3rd party role combined with zinger trying to get everyone to give their roles to him... that kinda seems feasible

Though in this set up it seems unlikely there's gonna be a N3P so I'm struggling here with what to do with zinger I kinda wanna just push Darkstar first

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 Post subject: Re: All that Remains
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Clarification: I was told by numbers that my Theif role wound up in a random person's hands due to Steve not having a will.

I don't think Steve "chose" Abi, as she is suggesting.

I don't know if Numbers should have told me that because nothing about the Theif role says I'll know who it goes to but he did.

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 Post subject: Re: All that Remains
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A curious and non-critical question: did Abi lose her old role, or is she now Thief+whatever?

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 Post subject: Re: All that Remains
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per the game mechanics abi should have both roles, though numbers or abi could provide a more concrete answer

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I did not lose my old role

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its also extremely likely the mafia already knew steve targeted abi for tonight, so not a lot is lost in terms of wasting storm's protective power. The only real loss is in the event of a strange setup like multiple mafias, a serial killer, or in the event that steve selected a target without telling his teammates (because of lack of communication or lack of ability to communicate). Abi was presumably selected because she claimed a power role, so i would guess it was a decision made collectively by the mafia rather than by steve alone, who likely would have picked someone on a less predictable basis.

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