Chain lynching is dumb. Especially when you are going to chain lynch based on somebody flipping town while ignoring that their play was horrible.

Shock, since you were the only player currently alive that wasn't voting alt let's discuss your vote. Do you feel your vote has carry over weight?

This right here. Yes Alt flipped Town but the logical for suspecting him was sound - he played like a called-out goblin. Simply killing rstnme at this point because he was the other candidate is probably the worst move we could make at this point. We've got time to re-evaluate evidence and should take advantage of that.

Also apparently we have a doctor (assuming that the days intro wasn't just fluff for the sake of fluff). That could be useful.

Sure guys, keep telling yourselves that lynching Alt was a good idea. It wont make it true, though. Bad logic led to Alt's lynch, especially because we had a much better candidate for lynch. In fact, it's time to hear anything from him, so...

Vote: Shockwave07

After reading everything again, I now agree with what C_K said some time ago. He was, in fact, laying a trap with the "massclaim" idea. We might disagree, though, about the exact intentions of that trap. Than Shock accuses Confused and procedes to vanish from the game. Time to come out of the safety of your hole, Shock.

Bite me!

I got role blocked at least once when I had the right candidate.




I agree completely that it was bad logic. If we had used good logic, we wouldn't have lynched a town vanilla. I'm not ready to go along and say we had a better candidate. but... (Also, I do agree with Garren and C_K that chain lynching is dumb. For the record. *waits for Neo to say that proves I'm defending alphabet-soup* )



Yes, this is disturbing. Maybe, after last game, Shock just wanted to live through one day-night cycle.

I need to find the time to do my re-reading. As of now, I intend to do it the same as I did last game - sort by author and read what each person had to say.

Well, my original vote was for shock, so I guess I can see voting for him again. I'm going to have to do a big reread though. I really thought alt threw himself under the bus there.

A doc save. I am in awe. (Btw, they don't reveal who gets saved?).

Now as for Shock, I am with Fel. You have been quiet for someone who proposed a mass-claim idea to see the mindset of the people in the game but then disappeared. So, how about sharing your thoughts then?

Well, Zherog is clearly scum, based on "alphabet-soup" (just kidding). Seriously, I feel like I at least have a clue now on how you play, based on last game, and there's nothing you've done to make me feel like you're doing anything different than you did last game. Right now, if I had to put money on anyone (outside of myself, of course) to be town, it would be Zherog.

Right now, there's a few people that I'm going to look closer at today. Shock, you were very active early on, but have vanished lately. Freddeh, you've been non-active for most of the game - I'm not saying that makes you scum, but at the best, you're not helping town.

If there was some way we could find out who was targeted to be killed last night (without anyone revealing their roles) that would be a pretty big help...but, I'm guessing that can't happen. At this point, it's better to keep the roles secret then to get that bit of info.

I'm also going to look closer at rtsnme confused and CK as I said I would here.

Oh - and squinty...always have to keep one open eye on him.

What'd I do this time?

~SE++

I don't know - you tell me!

All I hear are crickets... Shock, you there buddy?

Seems like a lot of joking around and not a lot of talk about who is actually mafia this time around, which is a major letdown from Day 1. So, let me ask everyone who voted altimis:

Freddeh
Garren_Windspear
Elijin
Confused
NeoSilk
rtsnme
Cereal_Killer

Did you vote that way because it felt like everyone else was voting that way, or did you truly believe altimis was mafia, and why?

~SE++

I voted Altimis because he was either mafia, or drinking his own koolaid.

His posts seemed to have bought into the idea that he was actually the most valuable player, and he'd started being suspicious of people for simply not agreeing with him. Or questioning their judgement if they couldnt see his points. Ultimately I felt that even if he was town, that was going to be an issue in the future.

So yeah, to me he looked like a 50/50 tie between a guilty mafia caught out, or someone who was likely to be a liability as the game went on.

I voted altimis because, after pages of asking him, he still couldn't justify his vote for me, and then he tried to turn my inquiries against me for no real reason. I felt he became erratic after that, which is terrible for town, as its easy for mafia to hide behind that kind of behavior.

Also, if squinty_eyes, Zherog, and felbatista could explain why they didn't vote altimis and who they were leaning toward voting, that'd be helpful.

Edit: I didn't mean just why you didn't vote alt, but why you didn't vote at all as well.

I explained my thoughts on it Day 1, but here's the post for you.

I was trying to give as much of the Day for more discussion, but I too was leaning to altimis / rstnme. My vote would have fallen to rstnme because I felt even though altimis was trying to hold too much of a superiority complex about it, he was right that he had more experience and would be more valuable later on. Not to be mean, but that was the right call in my mind.

~SE++

That's fair, this is only my second PBP Mafia game after all.

I'm a little worried, though, it's been almost 48 hours into Day 2 and there has been very little conversation. I really hope everyone else returns soon so that we can get this process going again.

~SE++

I think it's reasonable to say at least two mafia players just aren't posting right now. Seems like whomever is talking the most is being targeted, so silence is safer.

Speaking of, I'll be watching the pro tour at home all weekend, so I should be more active than I usually am on Sat/Sun.

@rstnme

I didn't vote because I didn't have enough time.



When I got back to vote, Alt was already dead. Or actually with enough votes to die, and I wasn't sure if I could still post.

Anyway, I didn't vote for Alt because for me, lynching him was a bad idea. He made some weird plays, yes, but his behavior was terrible for a Goblin. He was basically attracting all the attention he could get, which is something scum hates. Also, lefting him alive would give us a very good lead about his true nature. He was getting somewhere with his questions, and he would most likely be the Mafia target. Unless, of course, he was Mafia, and we would have a good reason to lynch him today.

Also, we had someone acting like a scum this whole time and we were ignoring him. In fact, he's still acting like that. Shock, I'm already voting for you. What do you want more from me to come here and say a few words?